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  •  MB - I too have liked the 5 cents per year (11+ / 0-)

    increase for a long time. It's small enough that people wouldn't notice. One other option I liked when gas was much cheaper was to make it a percentage (initially revenue neutral) so that the amount of actual tax revenue would increase as gas prices rose over time.  I do think that significant gas tax rate hikes to even start on a path towards Europe's gas tax levels won't work in the US. They would be politically harmful for the party advocating them.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 10:19:31 AM PST

    •  People might not notice, but Fox News sure as (4+ / 0-)
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      Hell will.  

      Good as an idea.  Disastrous as politics.

      "Let's see what fresh fuckwittery these dolts can contrive to torment themselves with this time." -- Iain Banks, The Hydrogen Sonata

      by Rikon Snow on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:16:35 PM PST

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    •  Yearly, predictable increases (2+ / 0-)
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      Ideally, I think you'd pass a larger hike, to catch up with inflation.   Call it the Eisenhower Gas Tax - bring it up to 30 cents a gallon (the inflation adjusted equivalent of Eisenhower's Gas Tax).

      Then, as part of the same law, mandate that 2 years after passage of the bill, it goes up by 5 cents + inflation, and then has an annual 5 cent increase + inflation for 20 years.  Afterwards, just inflation.  So, over 22 years, you'd raise the federal gas tax from 18 cents a gallon to 30 cents (on passage of bill) to 1.30 after 22 years, plus any adjustment for inflation.  1.30 a gallon would STILL BE LOWER than what they pay in other countries today, and this is true when you add in an average of 30 cents a gallon for state and local taxes, too.

      •  MP - big first year hike (0+ / 0-)

        makes the prospect of moving this concept through Congress much more difficult.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 06:01:35 PM PST

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        •  I think if you're selling a gas tax increase (0+ / 0-)

          Then you're selling the notion that a) it's a good thing and b) we can afford it.  If you're selling that we can afford it, then it's just a question of how much we can afford.  Going to 30 cents would be a 12 cent per gallon increase - I think that's a sale you can make.  

          But obviously you are right, it makes it harder.  

          The other way to go about it, instead of annual increases all at once, would be to do 5 cents a year, but spread out as 1 cent increases over the entire year, every 73 days or whatever.  Then it's imperceptible.  

    •  How about instead of 5 cents a year (5+ / 0-)
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      We would pay, instead cut the subsidisies the oil companies get and make them pay their fair share of taxes?  
      If they can make 15-30 billion per quarter in profits, they can damned well pay taxes on it.

      America never needed so much in the last election and got so little.

      by snoopydawg on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:36:06 PM PST

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    •  two cents every six months... (3+ / 0-)
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      And split the revenue with the states. They need help too, after all this belt tightening.

      With half the money going immediately back to the states with no strings attached and the other half going to federal transportation and EPA funds, everybody wins.  

      By the end of five years, the states have an additional ten cents a gallon for their state and the federal government has their ten cents, with the revenue growing until transportation books are balanced.

      At the end of ten years, obviously the split is twenty cents to the states and twenty cents to the federal government. Jobs are created. Projects flourish. Transportation books come into a better balance for both state and national governments.

      Two cents every six months. Or we could continue to do nothing.

      Of course, like the nickel, it's an arbitrary number...

      "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards." ~Soren Kierkegaard

      by Beastly Fool on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:49:56 PM PST

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      •  BF - the states also have the ability to add a tax (1+ / 0-)
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        but I don't mind the notion of sharing with them. I think your thought of 2 cents every six months takes into account the political sensitivity to make these increases small enough that there isn't any political backlash.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:59:45 PM PST

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    •  Hike it a dime a gallon . . . today (0+ / 0-)

      You know what a ten cent increase in the federal gas tax would mean? Do you? It would mean the cost of a 12 gallon fill up would increase by . . .

      Wait for it.

      Sit down.

      Take a deeeeeeep breath.

      A dollar twenty.

      Whoa, whoa, whoa. Settle, people. That's right: At $3.75 a gallon, a 12-gallon fill up would cost $46.20 instead of $45.

      I KNOW. End of the frickin' world, it would be. If anybody even noticed it, that is.

    •  Shopping for a new car, people should notice (0+ / 0-)

      If you know the gas tax is going to increase, you might shop with fuel economy in mind.

      We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

      by david78209 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 06:32:32 AM PST

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