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  •  who says O'Malley is electable? (2+ / 0-)
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    PorridgeGun, Jeremimi

    He seems to be a good governor of a fairy progressive state, but when has that translated into electability?

    •  There's no way to know until he runs. (5+ / 0-)

      However, he's got great positives - he's charismatic, is a great politician and has a real record of accomplishment. The last time we ran a Dem governor from a blue state was Dukakis. Dukakis has zero charisma and was a below average politician. So, there really isn't a good comparison.

      He's the only 2016 potential candidate that I would back in the primary so far. The rest of the field is pretty horrific.

      President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

      by askew on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 09:58:01 AM PST

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      •  That's my point (0+ / 0-)

        We don't know that he's any more electable than Warner, Clinton or Cuomo. Charismatic is a matter of opinion, I guess. His record seems good and I'd vote for him for sure if he got the nomination and he might even be my candidate, depending upon who else ran in the primaries and how the campaign unfolded.

        •  Oh, I see what you mean now. (1+ / 0-)
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          When I said electable progressive, I meant someone like an O'Malley instead of an unelectable progressive like Dennis Kucinich. I don't think Cuomo, Clinton or Warner are anywhere near progressive. They are all electable its just that they all suck on policies.  My fear is we end up with a primary with Clinton, Warner and Kucinich as our options, which makes me want to weep. Those are some bad choices.

          President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

          by askew on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 11:30:02 AM PST

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          •  I'd like to see more candidates as well (1+ / 0-)
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            Mannie

            And while I'd likely be for Clinton is she runs again, It might be better if she does not run, as I think she's scare off some potentially good candidates. On the other hand, if she  does run, it's almost certain that Cuomo won't and probably Biden won't either, so that would take care of that.

      •  We need to know what his liabilities are too - (2+ / 0-)
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        Mannie, mightymouse

        please do tell us.

        Cuomo - will not be getting this New Yorker's support.  Instead I'll be researching and watching (as much as I can) where all the Hurricane Sandy money goes.  

        We can not let corruption from disaster capitalism surface some time in the primary after he's well into the primary - the way Romney's shady business dealings and tax issues came out too late to derail his primary run.

        •  They all have liabilities. (3+ / 0-)
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          LilithGardener, Mannie, mightymouse

          O'Malley is a northeastern liberal which hasn't worked out so well for Dems in the past.  His DNC speeches in 2008 and 2012 were a bit dry. And there were rumors of other women, but opponents tried to find evidence of it and didn't get anywhere with it.

          The primaries are where we find out all of the candidates liabilities. We didn't know until 2007 that Obama wasn't a great debater; that Hillary didn't respond well to setbacks/losses and that she has problems managing campaign spending; that John Edwards is a turd. If there is anything ugly on any of these candidates, we'll find out during the primaries unless Clinton chases away all opponents. Then, we'd better hope that Bill has been on his best behavior, because their new dirty laundry will come out in the general election.

          President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

          by askew on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 11:35:54 AM PST

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          •  I hope this doesn't happen (2+ / 0-)
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            Mannie, askew
            unless Clinton chases away all opponents. Then, we'd better hope that Bill has been on his best behavior, because their new dirty laundry will come out in the general election.
            - Even if Bill's been a reformed husband all this time - yeah right! ; )

            We don't need dynasty families.  And we DO need Bill and Hill out there stumping and raising money for the next generation. And, as we saw for Obama, pulling them out in the home stretch can give a coalition some extra energy and peel away the other guy's votes.

          •  I'll be doing my part to research potential (1+ / 0-)
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            askew

            corruption as Hurricane Sandy money gets doled out.

            Upstate New York is pretty red. We don't need to be running a Cuomo and then end up losing House seats to GOP pols that were hard won in this cycle, after it comes out what a scandal LIPA is. (Probably no one goes to jail, but it's a big deal that lay squarely at Cuomo's feet.)

            Not repeat of New Orleans, if I can help it.

      •  Kind of circular (0+ / 0-)

        You've made the claim that we need an electable progressive running and then suggested that it might well be O'Malley. Then, when asked what makes him so electable, there's no way to tell.  It's possible he is electable. If history is any indicator, it is likely that he is not, however good is record may be.

    •  I guess we'll see if/when he runs. (2+ / 0-)
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      mightymouse, askew

      That's the fun part.

      Cuomo and Warner would be pretty bad candidates. Cuomo's got the name recognition and the money and the love of bipartisan fetishists, and Warner's not far behind.

      The Grand Bargain must be stopped at all costs to protect the 99%.

      by cybrestrike on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 10:01:30 AM PST

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