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  •  That refers to Condi Rice, not Susan Rice (3+ / 0-)
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    But I guess all black people look alike

    The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

    by LiberalLady on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 11:00:07 AM PST

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    •  Ray McGovern's article . . (2+ / 0-)
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      . . is all about Susan Rice.

      •  Maybe or maybe not. One of the standard dog (0+ / 0-)

        whistles in many circles around women is that the particular one being dumped upon is to forceful, too aggressive, too certain of her own views. Not deferential enough. All the decades since I was a young lawyer have not changed that, even for lawyers, and this sounds like another one of those to me. I thought we were done with that, but the new R rule is that only R pols who are women can do that, not anyone else.

        •  on the one hand (1+ / 0-)
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          such language ican be a sexist dogwhistle.  On the other, those same words could be said accurately about John Bolton. But in any case, McGovern's objection to Rice is not about that, but rather her support for the invasion of Iraq, and other policy issues.

        •  I'm fine with saying that about men. (1+ / 0-)
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          "Bristling certitude" was a characteristic of the Cheney Administration and I condemn them for it and for the results.

        •  not-so-funny joke, first heard (1+ / 0-)
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          nearly 40 years ago:

          Two candiates with identical resumés and very similar approaches to problem-solving are interviewed for a job. Afterward, the hiring committee meets.

          "He's tough," the gentlemen say admiringly. "Forceful, good at decision-making, strong."

          Heads nod all around the room. Then the lead interviewer speaks again.

          "But she's a pushy bitch."

          The truth is rarely pure and never simple. -- Oscar Wilde

          by Mnemosyne on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 07:09:51 PM PST

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        •  not as long as republicans can get away (0+ / 0-)
          I thought we were done with that, but the new R rule is that only R pols who are women can do that, not anyone else.
          with using it. again, the GOP mental illness, cognitive dissonance: women are either: too weak/emotional, to do the hard work and make the hard choices, or they're too aggressive (read: bitchy). obviously polar opposites, and sometimes even describing the same person. doesn't stop the GOP, because they know their knuckle dragging audience.
      •  McGovern uses her past policy positions . . (0+ / 0-)

        . . to support his contention that Susan Rice is more interested in protecting her career track than presenting her true convictions about what is right.  Some of McGovern's examples are a decade ago, from Rice's early career and may be misleading, even unfair.  

        Other critics claim Susan Rice doesn't have the temperament for diplomacy - whatever that is.  Too bristly and blunt?  

        But I can't think of anyone (with the exception of John Kerry) more qualified for Secretary of State than Susan Rice.  If she gets the nomination, I'll support her.

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