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  •  Is there any character on TWD... (2+ / 0-)
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    pswiderski, SilentBrook

    Pick any non-black character on TWD.  Your choice.  Make them black.  Is there any character for which you couldn't generate an identical critique?  If not, then your tool isn't useful for any sort of analysis.

    The example I raised above:  If they changed nothing about Shane but making him black, then there are several "black" steroetypes he would have triggered along his run in the series.  Does that make his portrayal racist, or just if he's black?  

    •  i am dealing with the text/show as offered up (1+ / 0-)
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      Larsstephens

      I am not engaging in counter factuals.

      These types of critiques and textual analysis from a race critical oppositional perspective are pretty common. No biggie. As I said in the previous posts, what I am highlighting is pretty obvious and in keeping with man decades of writing on race and representation in mass culture.

      •  That's too bad. (0+ / 0-)

        dunsel raises a great point.  None of the characters on this show are pure.  Every one of them is flawed and compromised.  They all do bad things and make bad decisions.  My guess is that his suspicion about your critique being identical no matter what is a good one.

        I happen to agree with your initial proposition that the "One Black Man" Rule that the show has appeared to follow so far is problematic and merits discussion.  The issue I have with your argument lies in your pushing beyond that and finding racism in every action taken by every character.  You've started with a good premise, but you've gotten so far away from it at this point that the entire argument falls apart and your overall critique is rendered useless.

        I'm a lawyer and I see this quite often in legal briefs.  Many times a short brief with one or two of your strongest arguments will fare far better than a long brief with every argument you can possibly think of thrown in.  The merits of the good arguments get lost and weakened by the poorly thought out and poorly supported ones.

        In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

        by Cixelsyd on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 01:39:03 PM PST

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        •  you misunderstand what i am doing then (0+ / 0-)

          i am not finding racism in character's actions. i am also not interested in their motivations.

          i am looking at the context of said behavior and how it is clearly in keeping with many tropes and ideas about race and personhood in this country. that is a subtle but important distinction. that is also a cousin to this post on colorblind racism. many folks are so caught up in a juvenile calculus of if x action is racist or not, and did x agent meant it that way. we should be talking about systems, institutions, and culture instead. we live in a racist society. we live in a sexist society. those concepts are of course reflected in our popular culture.

          as i always say, do offer up an example of where my reading of the racial codes and gender codes in the show are incorrect.

          my ears are wide open.

        •  moreover (0+ / 0-)

          you are free to write what you like. in your own way. i have proven pretty good and successful for the most part here and elsewhere.

          this is not a legal brief.

          "Many times a short brief with one or two of your strongest arguments will fare far better than a long brief with every argument you can possibly think of thrown in."

          "You've started with a good premise, but you've gotten so far away from it at this point that the entire argument falls apart and your overall critique is rendered useless."

          Far from useless. Plus that claim is more proof of the universal I. Useless to who? By what criteria? To whom? White folks? Those invested in Whiteness? People of color? Casual readers? Space aliens? Etc. Etc.

          These posts have circulated online, gotten several thousand readers and you are still commenting so it must have served some purpose. Maybe mine and yours are very different?

          Be careful with generalizing your point of view about the usefulness of something on to other. That is a classic move of arrogant privilege.

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