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  •  Obama has the right of it (9+ / 0-)

    No new offers until they cave on taxes.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:21:53 PM PST

    •  Actually, that has me worried. (2+ / 0-)
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      The worst-case scenario has long been that Republicans figure out the optimal timing for taking “yes” for an answer. I think Democrats are signaling far too much willingness to give away the crown jewels in exchange for modestly higher taxes on the rich.

      If the Medicare age goes to 67 but taxes on the rich go back to Clinton levels, that's a bad deal. Period. But I expect that if the GOP ever caves on taxes, it'll be seen as the Biggest Most Magnanimous Sacrifice Ever and Dems will be hard-pressed to keep anything off the table.

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      by Code Monkey on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:30:18 PM PST

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      •  Allow me to warm your heart cockles (5+ / 0-)

        Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

        by blue aardvark on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:52:54 PM PST

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        •  Just an example. (1+ / 0-)
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          And my worry in particular is that if the GOP does drop its opposition to tax increases, the Dems will be under pressure to start dropping some demands as well. Maybe not this one in particular, but something will have to give.

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          by Code Monkey on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:55:02 PM PST

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          •  We've got defense cuts (sequester) (1+ / 0-)
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            and the size of the tax hike on the rich.

            And Medicare reforms that hit cheats and what have you.

            Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

            by blue aardvark on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:00:18 PM PST

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            •  I don't think the defense cuts will happen anyway. (1+ / 0-)
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              Did Obama propose keeping any of the defense cuts in his initial offer?

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              by Code Monkey on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:01:43 PM PST

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              •  I don't believe he did (0+ / 0-)

                But they are scheduled to happen automatically. He doesn't have to propose them. He has proposed NOT making the cuts ... and if the Republicans don't take his proposal, the cuts happen.

                Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

                by blue aardvark on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 06:38:47 AM PST

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          •  Yes, that something will have to give is called... (0+ / 0-)

            ... negotiation.

            As other commenters point out, we do have things to give. And there are new things we want. The President's infrastructure bank, for example, and sufficient Sandy disaster relief to rebuild sensibly, not just band aid a fix and forecast that there'll be a long time before the next storm. So, we need to have the next steps in bargaining in mind.

            RE Medicare, something will have to happen to cope with Medicare costs. Preferably, a batch of things. Is gradually raising the eligibility age the worse thing that could happen? IF it is, what are some items we can live with?

            (I'm not saying we share this with the other side, just that realism requires more to the plan than telling our President to be stubborn.)

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            by TRPChicago on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:56:57 PM PST

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            •  We can let Medicare negotiate drug costs. (2+ / 0-)
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              That'd save a crapton of money.

              Right now, what I'm gaming out is the fiscal curb. There's no reason whatsoever to be negotiating for anything before 1/1/13 besides an unemployment extension. (Yes, that's more important than raising taxes.) Maybe in the END we'll have to do something shitty, and yes, raising the Medicare age would be extremely shitty.

              Like I said, what I worry is that the Republicans will give on taxes for the rich (which they'll happily just lower again when they get the chance) and meanwhile goad us into slashing important programs that the Democratic Party has been fighting for for decades.

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              by Code Monkey on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 06:33:20 PM PST

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