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  •  Newt's Moon Emperor Dream is one step closer (4+ / 0-)
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    In space, no one can hear you leaving your sick wife.

    •  I don't like Newt (3+ / 0-)
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      generaly speaking I don't like his ideas, his policies, or how he plays politics, but when it comes to science, and space he's far from the worst republican out there. His ideas on space are bold and ambitious. His timeline is unrealistic, but the ideas aren't bad. On space. Everything else is crap, and he seems like a pretty terrible guy. Why can't we have a decent democrat with a bold and ambitious plan for space?

      "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible." -Henry Ford

      by sixeight120bpm on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:49:15 PM PST

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      •  We (6+ / 0-)

        do, Obama is behind NewSpace. There's a tussle going on for funding between traditional aerospace contractors who tend to work more cost plus and NewSpace firms who charge flat fee. The trads didn't want the new guys to have anything and I'm sure the new guys would have like to exclude the trads. Obama actually listened to his space and science advisors, took time to appreciate the complexities, and then came out supporting some limited funding directly for NewSpace.

        The politics of this are effin bizzaro world. Since Obama is for it, the GOP has to be agi'n it, he's kill'n America's Mighty Space Program, plus some of the districts most affected are Repub stomping grounds. So now we have a traditional big government contractor witbh a Big Government Rocket for Big Bucks and an entire maturing pork program supported by the GOP, who are in turn taking sleazy shots at a democratic president who is proposing more nimble private firms be allowed to compete for funding for vehicles and systems and services. It's like the universe where Spock has a beard.

        •  wow, learned a lot of new things. (2+ / 0-)
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          I hadn't actually dug into the details of Obama's space plan for awhile, It's a lot more ambitious that I thought it was. For some reason I had the impression that the whole public-private partnership thing meant that the role of NASA was going to be more modest. That does not seem to be the case, and it's a good thing. I stand corrected, thank you sir.

          "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible." -Henry Ford

          by sixeight120bpm on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:06:30 PM PST

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            spend about 80 cents of each NASA dollar on private contractors. A lot of that was cost plus, which is open to abuse but it's also necesssary, especially in the early days; aero corps won't take on a theoretically unlimited liability without some guarantees they would not cease to exist. We're still going to spend about the same of each NASA dollar on commercial firms for vehicles and systems and services.

            The only difference is how they are paid, flat fee or cost plus. We can't progress, we can't build production models for a space travel industry using cost plus, it's a system intended to develop novel cutting edge vehicles and devices using exotic materials and methods one or two at a time. It's fine for custom designed probes, rover, orbiters, or if we assemble an interplanetary spaceship in orbit, that kind of thing. Although even there NewSpace might be able to contribute some day.

            •  Not that simple. (0+ / 0-)

              Take EELV launches.  Since Buy 3, the contract covers launch services by fixed fee, but launch capability is by cost plus.  It'd be nice to get away from cost plus entirely, or reserve it for only novel ventures like you suggest, but novelty isn't the only risk encumbering activity a contractor can take.  

        •  Not much of a tussle. (0+ / 0-)

          In fact, much of what passes for a tussle is exaggeration by bloggers.

      •  Indeed. It's good that he's spending his energies (1+ / 0-)
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        doing something that might actually be constructive. When conservatives actually spend their time doing something positive, that's time they aren't doing something negative.

        If there is no accountability for those who authorized torture, we can no longer say that we are a nation of laws, not men.

        by MikePhoenix on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:02:21 PM PST

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