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  •  I thought that line was incredibly funny (15+ / 0-)

    and on target.

    I don't know her exact age, but if she attended college anytime after the 50s, she benefitted from government aid whether she knew it or not.  And even in the 50s college was far more affordable than it is now.

    There is no way that kids today could work their way through college without taking loans unless they had a job paying $80,000++ which they could not get in most cases without having earned a college degree.

    Age is a factor in her thinking - either that or she is really fucking bad at math.

    •  Agreed. (5+ / 0-)

      Being the single intellectual in a village of 1,100 souls ain't much fun, especially when 1,099 of those don't think you're all that smart.--Lucy Marsden

      by Miniaussiefan on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 11:17:54 AM PST

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    •  When you stop taking in the facts (2+ / 0-)
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      needed to do your job properly, whatever age that happens, that's when you become a problem.

      I sound defensive because I'm older and require frequent self-examination to keep from using assumptions from an earlier time which may no longer apply. And of course I fear a time will come when I can't adjust adequately.

      As I reread the original post, though, I see that the 700 years comment wasn't out of place. The main point was to paint the congresswoman as old, grumpy, small-minded and confused, and completely "other" with respect to the writer. I had been attempting to interpret the point as an examination of the conflict between her avowed values and the outward appearance of her actions, a common human failing.

      •  My guess is that this woman's problems (2+ / 0-)
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        transcend any issues having to do with her age.  She has probably lived her entire life with her narrow mind never having been expanded a whit over time.  Which is why I thought that the 700 years ago was funny and apropos when I read it.  The woman is stuck and no amount of aging and life experience seems to have gotten her unstuck.  That's more about not growing up - not evolving - than it is about getting old.  Getting old - if you're growing as time wears on - is a GOOD thing.

        Its funny because my Grandaddy went to college during the Great Depression and lived in a tent under the railroad tracks because he couldn't afford housing.  In his case, the lesson learned apparently was that people should NOT have to do that to get through college.  He actually didn't make it all the way through a four year degree, but he did go on to build a business that made him rich enough to be a major contributor to his Congressman who was his best friend who lived under the RR tracks with him in college and also who did manage to graduate against all odds - and who spent a good deal of his time in Congress trying to get bills passed to federally fund higher education for poor kids.

        So....  Don't feel old - feel good and evolved :)

        •  my guess, too (1+ / 0-)
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          but I haven't done my homework on her.

          My father managed a two-year degree during the Depression through a variety of jobs. He could have been more "successful" if he'd gone back to college on the GI bill after serving in WWII, but by that time he had a family to raise. Spent his career in government service.

          The current college situation has little to do with those times, as I know from my daughters. I'm hoping initiatives such as Western Governors University can begin to provide workable alternatives.

      •  I thought the comment had to do with (0+ / 0-)

        Foxx's anachronistic and archaic comprehension of the economics of higher education. It might just as well have been 700 years ago, given the changes that have transpired since Foxx's personal experience.

        In 1956, you could earn a year's tuition and fees at the University of Illinois in 3 weeks of full-time minimum-wage summer work. That wasn't because it cost only $100 to provide a year's worth of teaching -- it was because the government subsidized the institution.

        In 2012, with the combination of rising costs (due significantly, BTW, to the cost of providing health care benefits to university staff and employees), plunging subsidies, and stagnating minimum wages, it would take pretty much one full year of full-time minimum-wage work in order to earn a year's tuition & fees. (And we're just talking about tuition here -- you'd still have to borrow money for shelter, food, transportation and books.)

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 08:53:14 AM PST

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    •  Virginia Fox was born in 1294 AD (2+ / 0-)
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      That makes her 718 years old.

      Back when education was available only to the non-loan class.

      The year that Kublai Khan died.

      "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

      by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 02:42:09 PM PST

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