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  •  I know parents of a 6-almost-7yo and the child. (5+ / 0-)
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    They moved back to FL from the NE. The little girl started in the local public school and the parents entered a lottery to get her into a charter.
    They didn't win the lottery and the kid stayed in the PS. Then she was surprisingly accepted after all at the charter.
    I recently asked her how she liked the charter.
    "I hate it."
    "Why do you hate it?"
    "Because when one kid does something wrong, the whole class is punished."
    "That's mass retaliation!"
    "It is!" said the child, who is very bright and seemed to get the meaning very well.
    Right here, with this kind of bullshit, I would pull the child out and get her back into to PS. I want to hear grades and see if they're affected.

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    by OleHippieChick on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:35:02 PM PST

    •  I wouldn't wait until the grades come out (3+ / 0-)

      Mass retaliation is a symptom of a teacher who has no control over the classroom. Teachers punish everyone because they have no idea, in a classroom full of restless, unengaged kids, who is responsible for the 'straw that broke the camel's back' bit of restlessness that was ostensibly 'punished.'

      The kids know very well it was Johnnie and Sam who were shooting spit wads across the room at each other, but all the teacher sees is thousands of spit wads littering the classroom. Even if the good kids finger Johnnie and Sam, those two are clever enough to muddy the waters by accusing a half dozen other likely suspects, a shouting match ensues and the class is ordered to write "I will be a good kid" five thousand times.

      The reason, though, that Johnnie and Sam are having their little spit wad war is because the lesson is boring. They aren't engaged, the kids paying attention to Johnnie and Sam aren't engaged, and the teacher is probably pretty oblivious to that, either due to inexperience, incompetence, a lousy curriculum or all the above.

      I suspect if you question your friend's kid more closely, you'll find she's doing drills and worksheets. Her grades, especially in first grade, are pretty much meaningless if all they measure is how well she can fill in worksheets.

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      by Orinoco on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 07:31:50 PM PST

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