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  •  And your evidence for this statement (7+ / 0-)
    the responsibility of teachers' unions is to the teachers, not to the students
    is where?
    •  My experience with two teachers unions in CA (0+ / 0-)

      and a charter school would lead me to say a similar thing. And not in a 100% negative way. Teachers' unions were formed to make sure that teachers received fair wages and fair working hours. They weren't formed to make sure kids get a good education or that the local community school was a good fit for the community.

      Decisions made by our charter school board were often governed by the teacher's union and school district relationship, not by the teachers' union and school relationship. We couldn't give our teachers raises above the union standard because the union/district wouldn't allow it. We couldn't change the hours that the school ran because the hours existed in the union contract for the entire district. Often, the teachers at our school agreed with us and wanted to make these changes but couldn't. It can be hard working with teachers' unions when you are a small school. That doesn't mean we think teachers' unions shouldn't exist.

    •  Follow the money (1+ / 0-)
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      angelajean

      Who pays union dues? Teachers or parents?

      It's not bad that teachers' unions are responsible to their members - that's how it should be.

      Parents need to be aware of the role of unions - that's all.

      I heard a talk by Ted Lempert. He made that point about teachers unions and he pointed out that there is no cohesive voice in Sacaramento (my state's capital) representing students. Parents should not assume that unions do that - they don't. Often the interests of teachers' unions and students align, but not always.

      •  If you want it to be a group representing students (0+ / 0-)

        It should be made up of students, IE, actual kids. Parents have differing agendas as well.

        My experience is that teachers provide important advocacy for kids that no one else does. Is it the full picture? No; they don't know what the kids think, always; they don't see into the afterschool and home life situations always. All people bring insight to the table.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 11:27:22 AM PST

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