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  •  not trying to be argumentative, (well maybe a bit) (4+ / 0-)
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    Robobagpiper, gramofsam1, 1BQ, oldpunk

    But doesn't the chart list some 60,000 homicides in 2003, the year they passed the law.  And then, by 2009, the number comes down to some 44,000?  Admittedly, the chart shows a very slight drop for a few years after the passage of the law, with a massive drop from 2008 to 2009.  Something big, and currently unknown to me, happened from 2008 to 2009.  

    As an aside, this particular topical tragedy is a poor example for those in favor of gun control, myself included.  While I agree with doc that this likely wouldn't have happened without access to a gun, at least that day, there is no gun control regime, absent total prohibition (a farce in a country with more guns than people) that would have prevented this man from having a gun.

    I am in favor of gun control in my own household, because I know I would be the first person shot with it, by my own girlfriend!. A woman with so little grasp of the handle, she wouldn't be capable of flying off of it.  Not that it would change the result in my case.


    "'re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." Obi-Wan Kenobi

    by thepook on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 01:30:45 PM PST

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    •  mother of our beautiful daughter (4+ / 0-)
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      Neither of us is going anywhere.  Ergo, no guns in our house.

      "'re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." Obi-Wan Kenobi

      by thepook on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 01:39:12 PM PST

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    •  The 2009 number is anomalous indeed (3+ / 0-)
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      One wonders if it's a partial number - or if the 2006 drug decriminalization law was relevant in any way.

      Nonetheless, the law was implemented in 2003; and yet the 2004-2008 numbers seem to fluctuate around the same average value as the 2001-2003.

      Furthermore, the 14% increase from 1999-2008 tracks with population, so in reality, the homicide rate was constant through the period.

      And, if you go further into the site Pete links, you find that nationwide, gun homicides per capita are only down a small amount between 2002 and 2008.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 01:43:54 PM PST

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    •  Doc's source is...well...crap. (0+ / 0-)

      Let's look at the numbers for gun homicides this time:

      In Brazil, annual firearm homicides total

      2008: 34,678
      2007: 34,147
      2006: 34,921
      2005: 33,419
      2004: 34,187
      2002: 34,085
      2000: 30,855

    •  I doubt that. (0+ / 0-)

      Show her this.  If a 6 year old can handle an 1911, she can just about any firearm.  You might consider putting in some range time with her.

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