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    "That “impulsive behavior” the Harvard researchers referred to is what makes guns a death sentence for people intent on killing themselves. The study found that while firearms are used in only 5 percent of suicide attempts, they are responsible for more than 50 percent of suicide deaths because of their 90 percent fatality rate. Many of the most widely-used suicide attempt methods have fatality rates below five percent."

    Fatality rate of 90% when guns are the method of choice.
    And as you say, a life of misery for the "surviving" 10%.

    •  in the news feed today: (0+ / 0-)

      Moral of the story - you have to make time for suicidal people.  They have to matter to someone, or they matter to no one.

      My experience is they feel abandoned and powerless. Choosing death is the ultimate expression of "you're not the boss of me".

      The difficult part has been knowing when to kick the door, grab the hand, and change the decision.  One girl kept a noted Manhattan Psychiatrist at-bay for 2 1/2 hours, while her blood filled the bathtub.
      "You have to respect her expressions of power over her life choices."
      He also expected a paramedic unit to have typed-and cross-matched blood, and venous cut-down capabilities.  We didn't.
      She died.
      We "should have known" and "sent the correct unit" to support his medical decision.
      There is no such unit.  An "unacceptable answer".

      I argued that at-times, kicking the door and saying "YOU MATTER and I'm not letting you go" is more important.
      Always an imprecise answer at-best.

      Doctors outrank paramedics, particularly Psychiatrists, or so I found out in post-incident disciplinary hearings.  Where a panel of physicians explained that I should have had "universal donor blood on-hand" as that was "a reasonable expectation from a medical professional, not in the trauma specialties".

      The attorney for the family of the deceased didn't buy that.

      •  Suicide is complicated. (0+ / 0-)

        In the case of the dead teenagers I knew, they were surrounded by people who loved them. In two cases, they were 16 year old boys upset because their girlfriends broke up with them. Their families knew that but never imagined that they felt as desperate as they did.  

        Another, my daughter's best friend, had never recovered from his guilt over a car accident that took a little girl's life- even though he was obeying the speed limit and she ran out between parked cars and everyone including the cops kept assuring him it was not his fault. In his case, people did know how devastated he was but felt powerless to help him heal.

        The other kids- no one really knew what tormented them and they did not leave a note. They're the scariest of all to me, and probably the reason I always see teenage boys as especially vulnerable. And sadly, they're more likely than girls to use a gun in a suicide attempt.

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