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  •  Lunken is the field (3+ / 0-)

    (mouseover identifiers to decode)

    LUK (or KLUK for those of you needing the redundant "K" for US identifiers). Surprisingly, I'll bet I handled more airplanes with it for a destination than CVG, which is where the airlines fly.

    Had trouble decoding your "draughty" and "taxying" but then I've had British English difficulties before…

    •  The first ten years in New England were the... (2+ / 0-)
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      .....worst! Now, they have got (or should I say, 'gotten') used to me.......!

      'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

      by shortfinals on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 08:12:36 PM PST

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    •  Gratuitous ATC story (sworn to be true) (3+ / 0-)
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      This exchange took place in the 1960s between a veteran British Airways Captain and an irate German controller at Frankfurt am Main (FRA/EDDF).

      German controller to British Airways Captain, who seems to be having trouble finding the correct stand for his arriving flight.

      'Speedbird 198, are you having trouble locating your assigned stand? Have you never been to Frankfurt before?'

      Speedbird Captain, after a short pause

      'Frankfurt Tower, yes. Twice. Both at night, and I didn't land.'

      'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

      by shortfinals on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 08:37:29 PM PST

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      •  Ah, yes (3+ / 0-)
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        That's one of my favorites (favourites, SF). There a lot of those floating around. One of the best, I would have sworn to my grave was actually true (think Alitalia and accents). Then one day when I was having lunch with my new found retired FAA geezers, a former New York Center guy told me the exact same story, naming one of his former coworkers as the culprit.

        Pardon me for a little website whoring, but I have a few on my website (link in sig) in the Tales of ATC section. Two have "Fables" in the title, one has "Vinnie & Alitalia", and one is titled "Heard the one…". There are over 100, mostly short, "tales" on that page, on all sorts of subjects (including some which are informative inside dope) some of which you may enjoy.

        •  Great! Thanks for these... (2+ / 0-)
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          ....In case you have not heard of him, please try this short audio clip of David Gunson, a former Controller, and after-dinner speaker! i've seen him live...very funny!

          'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

          by shortfinals on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 04:39:03 AM PST

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            shortfinals, RiveroftheWest, KenBee

            I also have an audio clip on my site. It's of me, about 18 minutes worth of an arrival rush into ORD.

            An interesting side note of no relevance, whatsoever: one of the image links that displays when your clip above  is done shows a portion of an airport diagram (different images may show up for others, but it's not important—that it triggered the following is the only point). One of the things I really liked about ORD and my time there, was the elegant traffic flows they had for each of the ≈11 arrival runway configurations. Coupled with that was the amusing, yet useful, collection of taxiway names unique to the facility—Inner, Outer, Bridge, Wedge, Stub, Bypass, Scenic (Old & New), and perhaps the most famous—not a taxiway, however—the Penalty Box.

            I managed to save a diagram with all those names on it for my own amusement after they renamed all of them to the ICAO standard: Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, etc. I should give some thought to posting it—if nowhere else, at my site, for others' enjoyment.

            I should get my friend, a former ORD guy from the old tower days, to recite some of the taxi clearances they used to give on Outbound Ground Control. Here's a sample, which is at least very nearly correct: "Cleared to 27 Left, via the Inner, Wedge, Cargo." Imagine rattling that off (minus the "cleared to" and "via") several dozen times during an outbound rush. That was just to the South runway. The route to the North runway was different. Probably, "32R, Outer, Bridge".

            The operation was set up so that outbound routes never crossed inbound routes. And there were two ground controllers—Inbound Ground and Outbound Ground. They rarely had to talk to each other because of the isolated routes. The Outbound controller had preprinted strips—the Inbound controller learned of his traffic when they called him clearing the runway(s). Amazing operation.

            Oh, the Penalty Box? Despite wishful thinking by many, it was not a place where miffed controllers sent wayward flights for a time out. The FAA controlled the taxiways and runways, but the individual carriers controlled the ramps in between the concourses. Often, when departure and arrival rushes overlapped, there wouldn't be enough ramp space to accommodate all the flights (plus the space required for pushback) and the gates were sometimes full. The company ramp controller of an inbound flight might advise the pilot that there would be a delay so he, in turn, could advise ATC. It was upon receipt of  that information that the controller would direct the aircraft to the Penalty Box to await an open gate.

            •  My first trip to the US (outbound) went...... (3+ / 0-)
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              ...something like this.

              LGW - EWR (World Airways DC-10-30)

              EWR - ORD (American Airlines Boeing 707-320)

              ORD - PIA (Ozark Douglas DC-9-30)

              Later departed ORD - LHR, on TWA777 (B.747)

              'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

              by shortfinals on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 08:06:56 AM PST

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