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  •  Because people who aren't pro-2A also (14+ / 0-)

    read the diaries? Just a guess.

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 09:27:08 AM PST

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    •  Culture (15+ / 0-)

      I have noticed that the prevailing culture here at dKos appears to be decidedly anti-gun.

      At least, this is how it appears to me.

      RKBA is like an oasis in sentiment here.

      No more gooper LITE!

      by krwada on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 09:53:20 AM PST

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      •  That is putting (13+ / 0-)

        it mildly.

        "I have noticed that the prevailing culture here at dKos appears to be decidedly anti-gun."

        "The next time everyone will pay for it equally, and there won't be any more Chosen Nations, or any Others. Poor bastards all." ~The Boomer Bible

        by just another vet on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 09:57:56 AM PST

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        •  Yep. (8+ / 0-)
          Why the hell do we allow a gun club here, anyway?  Does Kos know about this?  Somebody needs to tell him, now!
          Ah, well.

          I think the RKBA regulars here do a good job of teaching folks about the issue(s), regardless of whether or not they want to learn.  There'll always be some folks who just won't change, but quite a few at least want to listen.

        •  It's a culture war thing. (0+ / 0-)

          Moral entrepreneurs on both sides of the political divide have turned guns into an extension of the culture war.

          RKBA liberals are caught in the middle of this culture battle.

          In this case however, the righties are on the reality-based side of the argument.

          David Koppel (yeah, I know) has an interesting article on the cultural gestalt of the gun debate:

          The American sense that the law belongs to the people dovetails with other social facts that reinforce an ideological viewpoint favorable to gun ownership. As Annett and Collins point out, compared to Europeans, *11 Americans enjoy greater geographic mobility, can afford to use mainly private automobiles rather than public transportation, and are wealthier; all these factors give American individuals more freedom from surveillance and greater autonomy than Europeans have. In Europe, economic, communication, and cultural resources are more under the control of the government or traditional aristocracies than in the United States (Annett and Collins, 1975). Accordingly, it would not be surprising that, compared to Europe, Americans would expect to have a greater degree of control over their private security, rather than expecting to be allocated security by the government.

          Although armed self-defense may be legally permissible in American legal culture, some gun control advocates consider it immoral. Writes Professor Friedland of the University of Toronto, father of Canada's modern gun legislation: "A person who wishes to possess a handgun should have to give a legitimate reason.... To protect life or property ... should not be a valid reason.... Citizens should rely on the police, security guards, and alarm systems for protection" (Friedland, 1975-76: 50-51). Sarah Brady, chair of America's leading gun prohibition group, Handgun Control, Inc., states "To me, the only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes" (Jackson, 1993). Her husband James Brady agrees; asked if private possession of handguns was defensible, he replied, "For target shooting, that's okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that's why we have police departments" (Brady, 18).

          In the eyes of some gun prohibition advocates, the right to life itself must be subjugated to "civilization." David Clarke, of Washington's City Council, claims that his gun control efforts (outlawing gun ownership for self-defense) "are designed to move this government toward civilization.... I don't intend to run the government around the moment of survival" (Greene, 1985).

          Simply put, some advocates of gun control are not especially concerned with whether it saves lives. Survey data consistently show that about half of *12 all gun control supporters do not believe that the stricter laws they favor will have an impact on crime or violence (Kleck, 1991b, ch. 9).

          http://www.davekopel.com/...

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