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  •  dangerous homeowners (4+ / 0-)

    Oklahoma Didn't work out so well.

    Kentucky.  Same result.

    Springtown, Texas Far better.

    Houston, TX.  No gun?  Still not safe breaking in.

    Portland, Oregon  Dogs! Lady, I'm just here for the toiletries!

    Here's how it works:
    You call - We come and do the police work.
    You.  Are not a cop.

    •  The trouble with anecdotal evidence (2+ / 0-)
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      You have nicely provided 6 examples of crimes/assaults that show how guns were used or not used as self-denfense.

      The anecdotal evidence is of limited use, being specific for those specific instances.  F'instance, based on the empiric evidence you have produced, guns have only been used five times to prevent crimes.  This is probably an underestimation of defensive gun use in the USA.

      What is needed is a method that can be used to quantify defensive guns uses for a region of the nation as a whole.

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 11:06:43 AM PST

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      •  the difficulty HGB is how many folks (5+ / 0-)

        have the door beaten on, which is answered by the clatter of the shotgun being loaded?

        "Holy shit dude... let's get outta here!  Someone's home and they're loading the shotgun!"

        So you call the cops.

        "Nine one one what is your emergency?"
        "Are they still there?"
        "Was anyone injured?"
        "Stand by, an officer will be there to take a statement."

        Now this makes the news only-if there's an arrest, same goes for reliable, law-enforcement provided, statistics.

        •  I agree entirely (1+ / 0-)
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          I agree with your assessment.  I am sure the scenerio you have described occurs, and is an example of a defensive use of a gun.  

          This shows the difficulty involved of trying to properly count instances of defensive gun use in the absence of a shooting injury or an arrest.  After such an excounter, there may or may not be a police report standing as objective evidence of an instance of defensive gun use.  

          So we could count up all such police reports, and this would give us some idea of the incidence of defensive gun uses.  Do you know of any studies that have relied on police reports to estimate defensive gun use?

          "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

          by Hugh Jim Bissell on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 06:15:48 AM PST

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          •  Unfortunately no. (3+ / 0-)

            I haven't the time, nor desire to undertake this effort.
            Not that I'm disinterested - more like unfunded.

            Not every incident (back in the paper paper-trail days) made it to the report stage.

            You had an "activity sheet" which documented your patrol, incident-by-incident, or task by task.  Numbers are time of dispatch, time of resumption of patrol.  Dispatch records time-on-scene.  Here's an example:

            2120: Report of unknown car in driveway, 212 Birch Drive.  Unfounded:  2128
            2130: Report of disturbance at 221 Birch Drive.  Encountered two white males accosting the resident.  Obtained IDs, car registration.  Advised to leave premises or face arrest.  See report:  2150
            2200: Meal Break
            2219: Dispatched from meal to alarm call, Ace Hardware.  Encountered Acme Floor Cleaners, who set-off the alarm.  Store manager Edwards reset the alarm, returned to patrol: 2232
            Now, with computer dispatch?  You'd think the 9-1-1 dispatch records would have the broadest scope of recorded incidents, which should be cross-linked to actual field reports and arrests.

            There will be local/officer discretion used.  Say you exit the house, rack the shotgun, and say:  

            "Who the hell are you?  Get off my property!"
            That's a Felony Menacing arrest in one jurisdiction.

            In a neighboring state, county or town it may just be:
            "Did you get a look at them Hugh?"
            The first is a report, the second probably just a radio call back to dispatch:
            "No one here, homeowner will contact the station should anything be found missing, or should they return."

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