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  •  "Al-Q" is the preferred tag of the Salafis. (1+ / 0-)
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    2020adam

    Zawahiri is getting to be an old man.

    This is religious fanaticism. 100%. Pure. Idealistic to the exclusion of reality-testing.

    Salafi fighters want to be martyrs -- to be free to move anywhere in the realms of Paradise. To return to the Ka'aba at the Hadj. The al-Q tag gets them there.

    There is no significant "organization" per se. It's ad hoc.

    •  Making our government's use of "their" presence... (1+ / 0-)
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      as a justification for stunted action that much sillier. The Base seeks to spread its ideology and tactics, not necessarily its own operational reach. We, of course, do a fantastic job of aiding that spread by playing into their violent prophecies.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 01:48:56 PM PST

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      •  Arguably we founded Hezbollah in 1985. (1+ / 0-)
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        2020adam

        It was unintentional. It's not like we funded both al-Q and the Hezzies. But our actions in 1983/1984 created unique conditions where otherwise there was no was that this Shiite organization would and we surely funded Binladen so he was able to found al-Q.

        Hezbollah is the strongest continuing element of the Reagan Legacy. If St. Ronnie hadn't mis-, mal-, and non-managed his move into Lebanon in 1983/1984, there would be no Hezbollah.

        To begin with, Lebanese Muslims are mostly Sunni, not Shiite. The smallish Alawi tribe are Shiite and there are small pockets of other Shiite groups, but no one would have thought in 1949-1982 that a Shiite-led organization would become the dominant independent militia.

        Ariel Sharon's invasion of the Fatah area in southern Lebanon unsettled the balances among the existing militias. Then Reagan had naval guns open up on the hills above Beirut in 1983/1984. All in all Reagan's barrages killed 5,000 civilians.

        You've seen the "Collateral Murder" video -- call that the Manning Legacy -- so all you have to do is put St. Ronnie in the helicopter pilot's seat and you've got Lebanon in a nut shell.

        Sunni organizations were unable to respond. Their Saudi connections counted for nothing. Shiite organizations -- helped by Iran -- were able first to bomb the U.S. embassy on April 18th 1983. 63 dead. Then the (undefended) U.S. Marine and the French barracks on October 23rd 1983. 241 dead.

        Revenge was taken. All in all, 392 were killed with 4 truck bombs. Lebanese Muslims and Druze, all in all, would have been happier to see 5,000 killed. Better 392 than nothing.

        Come 1984, Reagan surrendered. Turned tail and ran away. Killing civilians with 5"/127mm and 16" 2700-pound artillery shells ended. Finally.

        Iran and the people who founded Hezbollah claim the credit. They and especially their martyrs had earned it.

        "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country" was never truer.

        Reagan and his people ??? They put the blame for the Marine barracks bombing on a mid-level Marine officer. Not the Commanding Officer. A convenient PR victim because he had been paralyzed neck-down in the October 23rd blast.

        Grenada was invaded. Made a good headline. Removal of a benign colonic polyp was headlined as "Cancer !"

        No civilian was fired. No one who ignored the April 18th bombing was court martialed. Promotions for failure, yes indeed. Dept. of Defense ignored what Dept. of State did after the April attack to protect their Middle East embassies.

        Reagan acted like Bush in Iraq. (Or vice versa?) No quality control. No punishments for bad management.

        Of course Bush went further. He handed out a Medal of Freedom to his psychopath Bremer. All Bremer had done was create at least 4 anti-American-militia Hezbollah-equivalents in Iraq and set off a terrible meat grinder civil war.

        Remember "The Commander in Chief Test" ??? Is your favorite presidential candidate suitable material for the presidency?

        Well, on the evidence both Reagan and Bush were failures. And thanks for Hezbollah, St. Ronnie. They couldn't have done it without you.

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