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  •  VA not promising (1+ / 0-)
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    Sorry, but Terry McAuliffe isn't a very strong candidate.

    PA would be huge break from tradition: The last time a PA governor was defeated for re-election was never.

    •  True about Pa., and it would be a gamble if Rep. (0+ / 0-)

      Schwartz gave up her seat to run, but this might be the time to break the 8 years and switch party tradition. After all, the first Democratic ag (and a woman at that) was just elected. It may be time for Pa. to emulate New Hampshire. Corbett continues to have problems, including his orthodox adherence to "no new taxes" while crippling education from K through graduate school.

      TM may not be a super candidate but the Republican will be quite extreme so perhaps, even in the Va. off-year election, a win is possible.

      "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

      by TofG on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 06:46:17 PM PST

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      •  We need to have the Obama organization mobilize (0+ / 0-)

        as the Democratic Party in VA has been in sad shape since the collapse of the Byrd machine 40 years ago. Yet there was a reclisted diary recently that objected to the Obama campaign sharing data with people like McAuliffe! And one guy wouldn't even admit that Cuccinelli is worse than McAuliffe!!! With attitudes like that we deserve to lose.

        •  Also, the last time (0+ / 0-)

          that the party not in the White House lost a VA gubernatorial election was 1969. (The winner that year would eventually become Tim Kaine's father in law.)

        •  The OFA databases cannot be shared. (3+ / 0-)
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          vcmvo2, ybruti, wasatch

          Legally impossible. not with anyone. The straightforward voter information has already been given to the DNC. The rest about personal preferences that individuals agreed to share with OFA for the purposes of elected PBO is restricted by privacy law and other protections; it is also tailored to that one purpose and would be useless for other campaigns.

          You might find it useful to read Zizi's diary, it was very well researched and argued, unlike the one which provoked it which was based on a misquoting of an article in Politico---you know the people who brought you the idea that a electorate made up of African-Americans, women, urban folks, and the highly educated did not constitute a broad mandate.....

          Facts not provocation about the Obama database

          "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

          by BlueStateRedhead on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 07:55:13 PM PST

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          •  I read it more closely than you did (2+ / 0-)

            Zizi is not that well informed.  People can be asked to "opt in" for certain parts of their data that are not in the VAN database (the part of the system you describe as "already shared with the DNC")

            A good deal of the system can and should be shared.  And many of the legal issues can handled IF money is found to work these things out in time for 2013 races.

            I wish people would just stop with this shit.  The data people from OFA are pretty clear as to the system's architecture, and folks who know and work these kinds of databases and are familiar with the relevant laws do not agree with your point of view.

            Stop it.

            [I]t is totally not true that Mitt Romney strapped Paul Ryan to the top of a car and drove him to Canada. Stop spreading rumors! -- Gail Collins

            by mbayrob on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 10:06:57 PM PST

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            •  ok. i'll just stick with thosevwho do (0+ / 0-)

              Names available on request. Or we can let Ofa work it out for itself.

              "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

              by BlueStateRedhead on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 02:12:02 AM PST

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              •  We agreed to let OFA work out for itself. (0+ / 0-)

                Both posters agree that the the data specialists at OFA know the information science and laws and can arrive best at a solution and what information can be shared....which may be an expensive proposition.

                What may still be discussed is how (and even if)  information gathered to ge person XXX to message, contribute, volunteer based on their FB info in a presidential  campaign can be made useful  to other candidates in other states for other positions in future years facing other rivals ..but this beyond my area of commment  at 5:12 am....

                so the subject is here considered to be suspended on my end.

                "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

                by BlueStateRedhead on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 11:51:03 AM PST

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          •  then why (1+ / 0-)
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            is OFA still, to this day, mining for personal information?

            It's been a hundred years, isn't it time we stopped blaming Captain Smith for sinking the Titanic?

            by happymisanthropy on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:41:13 AM PST

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      •  PA-13 safely Dem, so no gamble there (0+ / 0-)

        If the Dems nominate a reasonable candidate, not some wacko fringe candidate who wins with 17% of the vote after a primary with 9 candidates, the Dems will hold Allyson's PA-13 seat.

    •  VA not out of reach (3+ / 0-)
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      In 2009, Bob McDonnell was able to effectively hide his right-wing ideas, and the three Dems (Deeds, Brian Moran, and Mc Auliffe) beat each other up in the primary.

      In 2013, it looks like McAuliffe is going to get the Dem nomination easily, and Ken Cuccinelli has been plastering his wing nuttiness all over the state for the last three years.

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