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  •  No, the poor don't and shouldn't pay taxes (2+ / 0-)
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    the image of the poor person chipping in a coin in the cartoon is just wrong both as a matter of fact and policy. There are many who do and should get a net transfer FROM the treasury every year through programs like refundable tax credits.

    •  People who make up to and probably a certain (2+ / 0-)
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      TexasTom, Gneissguy

      amount over basic living expenses shouldn't pay income taxes. People making over that should begin to pay more of a percentage in order to recirculate money back through our economy and pay for running our country. The basic idea isn't too hard.

      -- We are just regular people informed on issues

      by mike101 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 12:59:11 PM PST

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    •  They do pay sales taxes, gasoline taxes, (6+ / 0-)

      payroll taxes and there could be a couple I left out. The poor don't pay federal income tax, but they are not left untaxed.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 01:51:03 PM PST

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      •  Not always on a net basis. (1+ / 0-)
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        The amount of the net transfer can be significantly in excess of payroll and sales taxes, though you are right to highlight those.

        My main objection was that the notion that everyone should pay at least a dollar is often a right wing talking point. A lot of people aren't aware of how many people are kept from being destitute by refundable tax credits.

        •  Sadly, many don't realize how truly hard (1+ / 0-)
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          it is to be poor. Living for a week on a food stamp budget, while potentially eye-opening, could just as well give a self-righteous person a feeling of superiority because they managed to survive one week. Such people would never consider how ground down they might feel if poverty were their daily, unremitting lot.

          "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

          by Lily O Lady on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 09:40:56 PM PST

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    •  but they do, of course. (1+ / 0-)
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      Even the destitute pay their taxes, at the thrift shop and diner.   You have to be wealthy and clever to avoid sales taxes in most parts of the country.  In NYC it is more than 8%.  The coin represents that.

      •  It's a fair point (0+ / 0-)

        to which I would just reply by observing that many sensible jurisdictions exempt necessities (like food) from sales tax and that the earned income tax credit can be thousands and thousands of dollars -- much more than other taxes that may be paid. So taxes are often a net benefit for the working poor, even taking all taxes into account.

        I think we should acknowledge this and vigorously defend the welfare state, including a tax system that results in downward redistribution, not pretend it doesn't exist. Long term, pretending that the poor pay net taxes means that will eventually be true because nobody will be defending social welfare through the tax code so people won't get the help they need. There's nothing wrong with welfare.

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