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  •  Oh yes, they are. They sure are. (15+ / 0-)

    They rely on "information" that they want to hear, not facts that have been collected.  The great physicist Feynman said that the easiest person to fool is yourself, and Republicans make no effort not to.  To push aside information because it does not comport with the view that you would like to see, well, that's really dumb.

    They push aside Keynesian economics; it's been shown to work within the parameters of the Keynesian model.  They still believe in supply-side tax cuts; there's no evidence showing that they work.  

    They "believe" that creation and evolution should be taught side by side.  Now, if that is to humor a large part of their base, that is one thing, but if they think the jury is still out on evolution, and a certain Oval Office cretin opined, that's just plain dumb.

    They are the ones pushing "global warming is a liberal hoax", when more facts appear each day to document that it is happening.  I could go on, with dumb comments about birth control, dumb comments about lady parts, dumb comments about race, etc.  Mankind is still not that smart, there is plenty left to be learned.  Part of being smart instead of being dumb is to blot out dumb ideas from the past and replace them with new studies that reveal new knowledge.  

    But they can't do that.  They can't do that because they believe that traditional values and knowledge are the best.  They believe in "revealed wisdom", the kind of knowledge that religion is based on and not in science, which is an evil plot concocted by atheists and other godless liberals.  

    But what you said, that "they do not believe in their own intelligence enough to search any further" is what makes them really dumb.

    •  There seems to be a high correlation between (6+ / 0-)

      the sort of individual described and "believer."

      The ones I know, though my contact is slight now, tended to very strong belief, both religious and scams. They tended fundamentalist in religion, converted to Republicanism and very susceptible to scams, including repeated involvement in pyramid schemes. I've observed that casually among others and am no longer surprised to find some variation along those lines when the common thread is Limbaugh, Fox and TP/GOP politics.

      I avoid them like the plague now but still run into the "businessperson" with the political sign, the church connection and the everlasting belief that if they just "invest" in this ad avenue, what this "kick start your business" salesperson is touting they too will soon strike it big for a yacht and island home. I usually walk out as soon as I recognize the symptoms.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 07:51:03 AM PST

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      •  My Right wing conservative scientist friends (3+ / 0-)
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        from college who are all tops in their professional careers are the interesting ones to study. They are amazingly intelligent in their field of work but their Evangelical mega church devotion is astounding. Yet they do not get the idea of cognitive dissonance. They just call themselve Republicans who believe in science too but wow they are anti gay, anti abortion, anti womens rights too and one is a woman !!! But the woman married right out of college and before obtaining her advance degrees..married another scientist but they got caught up in right wing churches even in college. I watched it happened, it was amazing to watch them get so caught up in these churches.

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        by wishingwell on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 08:57:11 AM PST

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        •  I'd be very interested in a better definition of (4+ / 0-)

          "scientist" there.

          What you describe is not consistent with a scientist actually applying scientific principle that extends outside a "professional" life. It is, in my experience, not common among scientists truly doing science. It is much more common in people applying science and even scientific method to a very limited and practical field.

          Thus you find a "scientist" supporting Creation Science, a geologist no less. What kind of geology? Petroleum geology. He was apparently quite successful in finding oil with the "theory" immune to all testing that the pollen and other signifiers of oil were all laid down in the strata of the Great Flood. He was not really a scientist at all. He was a glorified science technician.

          And by the way, "rocket scientists" are often not. They are more likely engineers and I've known a pack of engineers full of belief in crackpot religious stuff.

          I knew a time when real scientists usually professed faith. One did not advance well in even the research department of a good university by being openly not religious. Most, in private, revealed a "faith" that was really something else. Real science, testable, willing to abandon the most strongly held idea upon evidence it is wrong, curious is not easily compartmentalized into a profession. Cognitive dissonance is harder to find there.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:11:20 AM PST

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          •  one is a climatologist studying global climate (0+ / 0-)

            change but he is also a very devout Evangelical, but that started when he was a teen and he is now 6o.  He married a woman who went to a Bible College and I think she was very influential too.

            The other person calls herself a rocket scientist but she has risen to the level of VP of a major scientific research facility but she too is a fundy.

            These 2 people were fundies before they became scientists..I think there in lies the mystery.

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            by wishingwell on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 11:48:05 AM PST

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    •  my republican brother... (6+ / 0-)

      Thinks it's just silly ignorant talk when I debate him about economic policy. In his view "everyone serious is on his side", and it's just silly, discredited people who agree with me. It doesn't matter what I tell him, he's read too much stuff to change his mind - he has a logical understanding of "how the world works", and it's a nut you simply can't crack. Facts that don't support his world view are "exceptions" or simply outweighed by selective facts that do support it.

      He's a CFO, was a CEO... doesn't watch fox, or read WND, does read the WSJ, doesn't subscribe to the truly crazy wing of the Republican party... but he's absolutely certain of his economic world view - it's not even debatable in his mind.

      If we raised the top tax bracket to 50%, and the economy took off, he still wouldn't be convinced. It would just be "an anomaly" in his mind, and due to "other factors".

      Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

      by walk2live on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 08:52:27 AM PST

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    •  Golden Ages and Timelessness (2+ / 0-)
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      They don't see that the bridges are crumbling because to them, the bridges have always been there.

      They see no reason to address economic inequality because there will always be poor people.  If they are working class or poor themselves, well, that's the way it's always been.  Nobody from THEIR circle ever went to college and got a degree and really "pulled themselves up by their bootstraps" -- and to suggest otherwise is to put unreasonable expectations into the heads of children.  (The ones who DID move up also moved OUT, and out of sight is out of mind...)

      They see no reason to make big changes to health care because they are sure that either personal sloth, "an accident," or The Wrath of God are responsible for all illness and disease -- and at that, only the ones that physically manifest in a way they can see.  They really don't believe in illness that doesn't make you bedridden, cause you to lose teeth, or require surgery to correct (for example, not a definitive list).

      They don't get that Oliver Twist and Charlie's family in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory are literary extremes but portraying real conditions of the day.  They would prefer to think that it was all Tom Sawyer, and they long for the world of  Leave It To Beaver.  

      While believing in the timeless fixity of marriage arrangements, gender roles and the existence of infrastructure, they are also sure they are living in the Decline of Civilization Itself, and if they could only get back to the Good Old Days everything would be fine.

      Unfortunately, reality is much messier.

      "There isn't a way things should be. There's just what happens, and what we do." — Terry Pratchett (A Hat Full of Sky)

      by stormicats on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 09:04:08 AM PST

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