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  •  One on one is one thing (0+ / 0-)

    But a group meeting? Reeks of an attempt to influence to me.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:00:57 AM PST

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    •  Really? (3+ / 0-)
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      Group meeting is worse because what?

      That makes NO sense.

      •  Hmm, let's see (0+ / 0-)

        A bunch of "us", and one of him, on his turf, in his position. Who's going to have more of an individual say in such a meeting? And did he really need to call this meeting to know what they were thinking, as if that weren't blindingly obvious?

        I understand the need for such meetings from time to time, especially in times of real crisis, e.g. FDR during the Great Depression or WWII. This isn't one of those times, and certainly not from where he's coming from, which is Let's Make a Deal and Live to Not Fight Another Day. I have no way of proving it, but I have a hard time believing that the point of this meeting wasn't to shut down criticism from the left, which is his main fear now since no one's taking criticism from his right seriously anymore. Well, no one we should worry about, at least.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:23:07 AM PST

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        •  Probably (2+ / 0-)
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          And did he really need to call this meeting to know what they were thinking,
          I don't know how you figure it's blindingly obvious what they are thinking. Many of them are not in a position to openly say what they are thinking, except in a setting like that.

          "...you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem." Mitt Romney

          by Catte Nappe on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:42:21 AM PST

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        •  honest to god kovie, your view of Obama (0+ / 0-)

          is as skewed as Red State's.  "He's going to kill Medicare" = "He's coming for our guns".  He's had 4 years to move on both non-issues.  Somehow Medicare is stronger and gun sales flourish.  

          Or maybe he strengthened Medicare so it would die a more painful death?  Yeah, that's it!

          Glenn Greenwald isn't a lefty, BTW.  He's a coward who moved to a safer place instead of putting his ass on the line and joining the battle.  If he's your source for inside info you're screwed.

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 12:44:30 PM PST

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          •  No, on this issue it's Krugman, Ezra (0+ / 0-)

            and some guy at WaPo whose name I forgot. You want to call Krugman a coward and a paranoid nutjob, be my guest. It's your petard, not mine.

            And here's the deal. I'd rather risk looking like a paranoid and cowardly nutjob that trust Obama or anyone blindly, because even if he has the country's best interests in mind and even if he's being as smart and tough as he thinks he needs to be, it doesn't mean that he does have the country's best interests in mind and is being as smart and tough as he needs to be. Even HE said "Make me do it".

            Well, consider me one of the people trying to do that. And if your response to that is that I'm just a pathetic nobody that nobody listens to, then we have different notions of what a participatory democracy is about.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 04:29:03 PM PST

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