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  •  I just don't know how you can count someone (2+ / 0-)
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    who chooses not to look for work as "unemployed". Sure, they don't have a job, but a NILF, by definition, is someone who isn't looking for a job. If you're going to count anyone who doesn't have a job, you must count disabled, retired, children, etc.

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    by second gen on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 05:28:45 PM PST

    •  Maybe they should add, (It's complicated) to the (1+ / 0-)
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      category.  Most of the NILF category consists of people like you described, such as retired, or work at home without paid compensation.  People under 16 aren't counted, but students over that age are.  

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      by leftreborn on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 05:55:26 PM PST

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    •  It's not hard. Part of the definition is (3+ / 0-)
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      "wants a job". People are not shy about saying so when you ask. I was a NILF in the depths of the last recession, in the year before I retired.

      I had been a Senior Technical Writer, one of the last hired, soonest fired in Silicon Valley. Then I moved to Indiana for family reasons. We scraped by.

      Oh, yeah, BTW. Hands off my Social Security and Medicare. And my son's and daughter's Obamacare. And the Medicaid expansion that is going to keep any more emergency rooms from closing down. I have had to use the ER twice so far, once in CA and once in IN. No Republican Death Panels.

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      by Mokurai on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 06:26:22 PM PST

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      •  harder than you think (2+ / 0-)
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        By this definition, without being asked, I'm being counted as NILF.. I'm 74 and retired on SS.  My daughter wants a job but can't hold one due to treatable medical problems that we're trying hard to scrape up enough funds to treat, since she doesn't get any Obamacare yet and our deep-Red state refuses Medicaid expansion.  Until her boys graduated from HS they didn't have jobs, nor did they look for them.  And prior to her divorce my daughter didn't work other than part time, as she was a stay at home mom mostly.  All NILF's.. not.  Until such can be weeded out it would be very misleading to include such as we in the labor force.  

        •  No, the sensible way to count would (0+ / 0-)

          be to count the portion of persons under age 65 (or whatever the full Social Security retirement age is now) who meet the "NILF" description, and presume anyone older who is not employed to be retired. Some people keep working past retirement age, some people are successful and can retire early, but overall it makes sense to use age to make the determination. A similar presumption could be used to weed out the disabled. As for particular persons being counted one way or the other--the statistics are not that exact, all of them (including employed, actively looking, etc.) are estimates.

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          by Alice in Florida on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 12:45:21 PM PST

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