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  •  So you don't think (0+ / 0-)

    there was any difference in turnout between this year and say 2011? You don't think that popular mobilizations like Wisconsin and OWS had any impact?

    It seems to me that the RW and the GOP based their expectations for the 2012 elections on similar assumptions. They assumed that 2010 was an aberration and that the old pattern of turnout would reassert itself. Hence the disarray on the Right in the wake of their defeat.

    Democratic prospects for 2014 and beyond depend on consolidating and maintaining their new level of turnout. That isn't going to happen if they simply return to business as usual. Not that it's impossible that they could delude themselves on this point, which is why it is necessary to make the consequences of doing so apparent to them now.  

    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 06:01:38 PM PST

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    •  You seem to confuse the left voting Dem (2+ / 0-)
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      with the left having clout within the party.  The left votes Dem because the alternative is horrible to think about. End of story. The party kinows that, hence the left has no leverage. End of story.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:02:21 PM PST

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      •  Implicit in your argument (1+ / 0-)
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        is the idea that the Dems either don't care if the Left votes for them, or alternately, they believe that the Left will vote for them no matter what they do.

        As I indicated above, either is a possibility but do you think these are accurate assumptions?

        Or is that the Dems don't care enough about winning future elections that they're uninterested in keeping the coalition that makes winning possible intact?

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:53:50 PM PST

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        •  My two cents? (1+ / 0-)
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          The Democratic Party believes the "left" will vote for them because the have nowhere else to go. As for your last paragraph,I believe the Dem Party isn't uninterested but rather is short-sighted about what it is going to take to keep that coalition intact.

          "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

          by tardis10 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 11:11:37 PM PST

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