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  •  Was Bob Costas trying to score a politcal point,nt (1+ / 0-)
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    you don't believe in evolution, you understand it. you believe in the FSM.

    by Mathazar on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:40:31 PM PST

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    •  Probably (8+ / 0-)

      What's his role in this? I was addressing this Diary, but am always willing to expand a discussion.

      As I have made abundantly clear in the distant past this is, and will remain, a losing issue politically for Democrats. It's one of the most powerful recruiting tools the Rethugs have, and it gains currency every time it comes up.

      Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

      by The Baculum King on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:45:02 PM PST

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      •  Not so... (2+ / 0-)
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        As I have made abundantly clear in the distant past this is, and will remain, a losing issue politically for Democrats. It's one of the most powerful recruiting tools the Rethugs have, and it gains currency every time it comes up.
        I hear that repeatedly, and it is a myth that the NRA and others rely upon, but it is all smoke and mirrors.

        Have a look at Paul Waldman's series:

        Part 1

        Part 2

        Part 3

        Part 4

        I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

        by Wayward Wind on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 03:27:06 AM PST

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        •  Actually (5+ / 0-)

          before I go with an agenda-driven series on ThinkProgress, I'll go with this:

          "Clinton added that the National Rifle Association also played a bigger role than it's credited in turning over Congress during the 1994 Republican revolution. "They were mad about this whole weapons ban and the Brady Bill, and they probably took 15 of our House members out. That was their number, they said between 15 and 20, and I'd say, at least on the low side, they were right," he said."

          "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

          by kestrel9000 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 06:26:54 AM PST

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          •  Read the series (1+ / 0-)
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            One part focuses on the supposed 1994 losses, analyzes the actual results, and debunks the myth.  Clinton's off the cuff acceptance of the NRA puffery simply does not withstand analysis.

            I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

            by Wayward Wind on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 07:02:22 AM PST

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        •  Mr. Waldman Makes a Common Mistake (4+ / 0-)

          He conflates the NRA directly with the gun issue, as if those concerned with gun rights marched lock-step behind Wayne LaPierre and were at his beck and call. This conflation, while common, is akin to lumping all women's rights behind NOW. The NRA represents only a relatively small segment of those for whom the gun issue is hugely determinative in deciding voting, so it's not that surprising that the formal endorsement of the NRA is of marginal value. However, interpreting that value to mean that Democrats can therefore move with impunity against the Second Amendment is a gross miscalculation that has cost them electorally in the past and will again in the future. Where the gun issue costs Democrats is not in narrow races where the NRAs endorsement (or lack thereof) is a measurable factor, but rather in overall recruitment of people who would otherwise naturally align with Democrats on a wide range of issues but have little flexibility on this one; the NRA is then just the guy with the bullhorn highlighting the Democratic position, but once Rethugs have a vote it tends to be theirs across the board.

          And yeah, Bill Clinton is a piker when it comes to political instincts; what does he know about politics?

          Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

          by The Baculum King on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 07:49:57 AM PST

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          •  Did you read the whole series? (0+ / 0-)

            Particularly Part 4, which addresses the issue that you raise of a broader constituency.  The research that he cites clearly indicate that firearms ownership is declining - remarkably so.  The number of guns is clearly up, but those weapons are concentrated in fewer hands each year, and those hands tend to older and white; given the clear trends in American demographics that are projected, that trend is likely to continue and perhaps even accelerate.

            Beyond that, the research shows that even the most ardent gun owners and yes, NRA members, support ideas such as waiting periods (86%), registration (79%), and requiring a permit from the police for ownership (74.3%).

            It is absolutely true that there are more guns, and that if you poll the simple question of support for gun control, it is a losing proposition.  But that is about all that is true - the rest is hyperbole and myth.

            I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

            by Wayward Wind on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 08:09:34 AM PST

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    •  Yes. (2+ / 0-)
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      "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

      by kestrel9000 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 05:32:46 AM PST

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