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  •  "Killing Machine": make it clearer (2+ / 0-)
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    Calling them 'guns' confuses the issue, simply call them 'killing machines'.

    It makes all these accidents MUCH clearer.  "The father was was holding his recently purchased KILLING MACHINE in his hand when it discharged and killed his son."

    "The man was exercising his constitutional right to own a KILLING MACHINE when it activated while he was cleaning it and killed him."

    "Sale on at Butch's KILLING MACHINES".

    or here, to be exact:

    Craig Allen Loughrey was shot in the chest by a KILLING MACHINE his father, Joseph V. Loughrey, 44, was holding as they were getting into the family vehicle at Twig's Reloading Den in Mercer, about 60 miles north of Pittsburgh, a Pennsylvania State Police spokesman said.
    "KILLING MACHINES don't kill people, people do."

    When you've got a lot of KILLING MACHINES around, accidents are bound to happen.

    •  Excellent idea (3+ / 0-)
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      theatre goon, ban nock, PavePusher

      Knives: Butcher tools.
      Cars: Murder wagons.
      Bleach: Poison.
      Fertilizer: Bomb sludge.

      •  Primary use (1+ / 0-)
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        splashy

         I think the idea is that the primary purpose of a handgun
        is to kill (or seriously injure) someone, or at the very least to threaten said death or injury.

        Knives, cars, bleach, and fertilizer all of have other primary purposes than those you have listed.

        •  Is that so? (0+ / 0-)

          As opposed to recreational shooting?

          •  agreed, but... (1+ / 0-)
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            splashy

            I'm not sure why constitutional protection would be needed for recreational shooting...nor why anyone would have objections to banning the carrying of concealed weapons, or large magazines, or weapons that are easily converted to fully automated use, if the main use was target practice.

            This is not to say that some folks don't enjoy target practice, and some folks might only have a gun for that purpose.

            Perhaps you are one.  

            Still, that argument sounds rather reminiscent of the "I only buy Playboy for the articles" argument I used to try on my Mom....

            •  Easily converted to fully automated use? (0+ / 0-)

              Didn't know there were so many budding roboticists amongst our nations murderers.

              Don't see how carrying concealed or large magazines bothers you.

              •  missed the point (0+ / 0-)

                I am afraid you have dodged the question: if the primary purpose of handguns were target practice, then why does the NRA, for example, object to restrictions on large magazines (which can facilitate mass murder) or carrying concealed? Seems like an awfully small set of concessions for target-practice aficionados.

                My point is that all of the other "deadly" objects you referred to in your original comment cannot be argued to have as their primary use/purpose causing harm (or threatening harm). It is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

                Do you really believe Founding Fathers had thought guns were mainly for target shooting, and that was their motivation for the 2nd amendment?

                I suggest that any argument for or against changes in gun control or gun policy should at least be honest as to how and why they differ from cars or fertilizer.... instead one should speak honestly about the relative merits of arguments involving self-defense, for example, not sophistry about how cars kill people too...

                •  Why concede them at all? (0+ / 0-)

                  Carry--concealed and open--is a convenient way to transport.  In fact, concealed is a concession itself; when and where I'm willing to offer it.  And large magazines are very convenient at the range.  They do not facilitate mass murder.

                  The fact is that there are nearly 300 million firearms in the US today, and Americans go through billions of rounds of ammunition.  All without ever killing or injuring another human being.  To suggest the primary purpose of a firearm is to inflict lethal force is stupidly disingenuous.

                  •  most bicycle helmets don't get used either (0+ / 0-)

                    Umm... "All without killing or injuring another human being"?

                    I fear some of them do (granted, not the majority). Are you really suggesting none of them kill/injure anyone?

                    The majority of bicycle helmets don't actually get used to prevent traumatic brain injury, but you'll agree that is their purpose?

          •  Don't need concealed carry for target shooting (0+ / 0-)

            So why is there concealed carry?

            I would rather have open carry.

            Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

            by splashy on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 10:26:05 PM PST

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    •  Well, I have owned guns (5+ / 0-)

      ever since I got old enough to buy one in my own name, been shooting at tin cans and bottles even longer. Don't have any handguns (too many children around), do have a shotgun and a rifle. These are usually used only in target practice, but I've kept the shotgun handy (near the box of buckshot shells) ever since a couple of crazy rednecks showed up a year and a half ago looking for meth money and pulled a gun on me in my own driveway. Also keep two baseball bats and a sword behind the kitchen door, a nice pistol-action crossbow in the library - we live on acreage far out in the woods where there are no neighbors within eye or ear shot and the cops are 40 minutes away on a good day.

      No gun I've ever owned has ever shot a human being. But I keep them because they could if they had to.

      We do not hunt (don't even eat meat), but there are plenty of hunters here who believe against all law and reason that they can hunt bear or deer or turkeys on my posted property without permission, and think their guns make any complaint from me non-binding. My gun evens that out very well. And we do get occasional rabid coons, skunks and unfriendly starving hounds the hunters don't care enough about to collect when they go home. They are dangerous to children and adults, dogs and cats, chickens and ducks, and me.

      My guns are tools. Like my scythe and my machetes and my axes/mauls and my DR and my chainsaw. Their job is to protect and defend my family and property from people/animals bent on destruction. They are not registered, nor are they required to be registered. You can of course consider them "KILLING MACHINES," I don't mind. That is precisely why I have these tools. As is my right as a citizen of this country, regardless of how you wish to characterize it. What you cannot do - and will never be able to do - is to confiscate them from me because you're scared of guns and do not believe I have the right to protect and defend my family, livestock and property with a "KILLING MACHINE" that has no other purpose than to launch potentially lethal projectiles when I pull the trigger. For whatever reason launching potentially lethal projectiles at something or someone might be my choice of action.

      •  Guns in your own home = (0+ / 0-)

        No problem to me. It's when they are carried around others that don't want them around that problems start.

        I would prefer open carry, so all could make their own decisions as to what they want to be around.

        Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

        by splashy on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 10:29:54 PM PST

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    •  Go play outside, child. n/t (4+ / 0-)

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