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  •  So if what you're saying is (4+ / 0-)
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    Democrats are smart and Republicans, even when they think they're smart, are closet idiots, then I agree.

    Democrats appear less likely to believe the conspiracy theory the more knowledgeable they are. Republicans with greater political knowledge are more likely to believe the conspiracy theory. There's no clear effect among Independents. What's going on?




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
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    by DeadHead on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 11:08:47 PM PST

    •  That's certainly what it kinda looks like. (1+ / 0-)
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      Brash Equilibrium /brASH ēkwəˈLIBrēəm/ Noun: (1) a state in which the opposing forces of snark and information are balanced. (2) a statistician of truthiness at Malark-O-Meter.

      by Brash Equilibrium on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 12:10:13 AM PST

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      •  It's nice to know I'm smart (0+ / 0-)

        With all due respect though, much of what you seem to be saying doesn't strike me as ground-breaking...

        I've mentioned before that a step toward better fact checking is to measure the potential effect of political bias on both the perception of fact and the rulings of fact checkers. Basically, give individuals a questionnaire that assesses their political beliefs, and see how they proceed to judge the factuality of statements made by individuals of known party affiliations, ethnicity, et cetera. To see if fact checking improves upon the motivated reasoning of non-professionals, compare the strength of political biases on the fact checking of professionals versus non-professionals.
        Don't all good pollsters do this already?




        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
        ~ Jerry Garcia

        by DeadHead on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 01:08:18 AM PST

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        •  No. (0+ / 0-)

          They don't.

          Brash Equilibrium /brASH ēkwəˈLIBrēəm/ Noun: (1) a state in which the opposing forces of snark and information are balanced. (2) a statistician of truthiness at Malark-O-Meter.

          by Brash Equilibrium on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 01:26:41 AM PST

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          •  That settles it then. (0+ / 0-)




            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
            ~ Jerry Garcia

            by DeadHead on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 01:49:40 AM PST

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            •  Pretty much. (1+ / 0-)
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              To clarify, I am unaware of any experiments where professional fact checkers of varying political affiliation have been recruited with a political philosophy task, and the effect of their political philosophy on their fact checker rulings has been compared to a sample of non-professionals who were given the same political philosophy questionnaire and asked to do similar fact checker rulings.

              Brash Equilibrium /brASH ēkwəˈLIBrēəm/ Noun: (1) a state in which the opposing forces of snark and information are balanced. (2) a statistician of truthiness at Malark-O-Meter.

              by Brash Equilibrium on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 02:02:43 AM PST

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    •  I'd be interested in seeing a topic on the other (0+ / 0-)

      side be evaluated.  Like the CT here about Tagg owning the voting machine company and belief that repubs were going to steal the election.

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 06:52:08 AM PST

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      •  I'm interested in the definition/derivation of (0+ / 0-)

        "political knowledge".  Does the axis bear a relation to empirical truth, or is it an estimation of "invested opinion"?

        These charts strongly suggest the latter, meaning this is not so much a mystery as it is soft measurement.

        It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

        by Murphoney on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 09:18:04 AM PST

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        •  Definitely up for grabs (0+ / 0-)

          In the nyhan study, political knowledge was measured via a battery of ten questions. I would definitely like to see that questionnaire. I will contact Nyhan to see what the battery of questions was.

          Brash Equilibrium /brASH ēkwəˈLIBrēəm/ Noun: (1) a state in which the opposing forces of snark and information are balanced. (2) a statistician of truthiness at Malark-O-Meter.

          by Brash Equilibrium on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 10:23:37 AM PST

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          •  The questions themselves definitely matter, but (0+ / 0-)

            regardless of content and structure, 10 doesn't seem like a very vigorous list -- and it certainly couldn't be considered expansive let alone all-inclusive, topically, which would call into question its general applicability.

            It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

            by Murphoney on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 10:27:08 AM PST

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            •  err..."rigorous," I mean. (0+ / 0-)

              It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

              by Murphoney on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 10:28:51 AM PST

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            •  In addition... (0+ / 0-)

              ...ten questions might not be enough to produce a metric of political knowledge about which we can have a good deal of statistical certainty. That said, the effects do go in a direction that makes sense and makes me eager to see the results of a survey that is based on a larger sample of questions. Of course, he larger the questionnaire the more expensive the survey and the more work put into it's design

              Brash Equilibrium /brASH ēkwəˈLIBrēəm/ Noun: (1) a state in which the opposing forces of snark and information are balanced. (2) a statistician of truthiness at Malark-O-Meter.

              by Brash Equilibrium on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 12:45:03 PM PST

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              •  The direction only suggests bias, not knowledge. (0+ / 0-)

                It's presents indeterminate spectra of idiocy -- like looking at a 3 separate rainbows through red cellophane.

                It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

                by Murphoney on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 01:15:45 PM PST

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                •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                  But it is important to think of the Score on the test and the effect as two separate things. One, because they are. Two, because otherwise our reasoning is circular.

                  Brash Equilibrium /brASH ēkwəˈLIBrēəm/ Noun: (1) a state in which the opposing forces of snark and information are balanced. (2) a statistician of truthiness at Malark-O-Meter.

                  by Brash Equilibrium on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 02:15:57 PM PST

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                  •  I don't see either conclusion as evident. (0+ / 0-)

                    I do see a common a sense measure that offers little else.

                    It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

                    by Murphoney on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 02:32:12 PM PST

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