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  •  And BTW, sure, it could lead to violence. (43+ / 0-)

    In fact, I'll venture to say that before Obama leaves office there'll be some rightwing whacko(s) that carry out some kind of crazy shit and yes people will die. We won't be able to catch everything, I'm sure.

    The question is, however, what is the effect of that? Does it help or hurt their cause and by extension the political right?

    I'm not suggesting that we be apathetic to violence and extremism or that those in charge of tracking such things not take it deadly serious.

    I'm suggesting that 1) we ought not tie ourselves in knots as civilians with worry over possible insurrections and 2) if (or when) such an insurrection happens or the more likely violent acting out of the unique combination of lunacy and anger the GOP has become, we look at the effect of it and understand that such a thing, horrible as it would be, does not help their cause and thus may, in effect, have the consequence of moving us in the right direction ultimately.

    I'm not trying to be all Zen about it but I can't really see any other way to deal with it. We have agencies in place whose job it is to deal with this before it happens. Hopefully they are successful. But if not, what am I supposed to do about it? And what power do I have in stopping some nutjob blowing up the IRS building? Not much unless I hear about and can report it. And in the end, if it happens, maybe it ends up being a wake up call for the nation.

    I won't spend energy on circumstances beyond my control. I'd urge others not to either.

    For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

    by mdmslle on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 03:08:24 PM PST

    •  Amen to that. (15+ / 0-)

      If you don't think any minor insurrection would be swiftly stomped out like a small bug, you haven't seen our modern military weaponry.
      I try not to think of the assassination threats Obama lives under every day. But every indication is that the SS takes these threats very seriously, as they've arrested several people over the last 4 years for making threats.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 03:26:04 PM PST

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    •  self-defense and self-determination go together (8+ / 0-)

      under our Constitution and The Posse Comitatus Act and the more we remind ourselves about its limits, the better.Threats to Liberty will come from much larger institutions than the 'baggers

      The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies in using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it simply requires that any authority to do so must exist with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress.{Federalist 29 (Hamilton, 1788)} In this way, most use of the Army and the Air Force at the direction of the President does not offend the statute, even though it may be problematic for political reasons.

      yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

      by annieli on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 03:34:50 PM PST

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