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  •  My Feeling is That Humanity, But Not Modernity, (8+ / 0-)

    knows how to deal with this situation. "Humanity" referring both to our species and its traditional cultures dating from before the Renaissance.

    But for the last 1,000 years our political and economic systems have been evolving in circumstances of surplus space, resources and waste capacity, due to the opening of new worlds and explosion of technology's abilities to exploit old worlds.

    All our values, our concepts of freedoms and obligations, rights and responsibilities, are heavily colored by 10 centuries developing in a free lunch world.

    A few among us have, all along the way, been thrust backwards into a high-cost-lunch world, into survival conditions such as being marooned in wilderness or lifeboats at sea.

    In such circumstances the first things jettisoned are principles often touted as defining the American system, principles of individual liberties and freedoms, in favor of survival of as high as possible a percentage of the whole.

    In a lifeboat there are vital commodities that have hard limits. Well, at this moment the planet earth has a hard limit. Our planet cannot accept 1 single new net molecule of carbon gas without increasing the harm inflicted on individuals and their property worldwide.

    Our modern free-lunch-premised world, and most of all the American Constitutional system, is fine-tuned for the opposite of our present and future circumstances.

    So it's going to require popular and talent agitation at or beyond the extremes anticipated by our systems, to push it to respond appropriately to a world for which our system is the worst adapted of all modern societies.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 08:13:11 PM PST

    •  I doubt however (4+ / 0-)

      that agitation is going to do a hell of a lot of good until the corpses pile high enough for people to realize that their personal survival is threatened.  And then, their first priority is going to be to assure that survival (and of course their offspring) above all else.

      Effective communal effort seems far less likely than a sudden rush to Hobbsian competition such as is seen in prison camps, internment centers, and reservations.  Resource scarcity rarely brings out the best in humanity.

    •  Great comment! (1+ / 0-)
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      Entropy means there is no free lunch.

      muddy water can best be cleared by leaving it alone

      by veritas curat on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 07:26:36 AM PST

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    •  Well said, as always. (1+ / 0-)
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      So it's going to require popular and talent agitation at or beyond the extremes anticipated by our systems, to push it to respond appropriately to a world for which our system is the worst adapted of all modern societies.
      The problem is that for about 95% of the left (including its independents of various stripes), even passionate electoral activism is considered extreme rather than fatally inadequate.

      The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

      by Words In Action on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 07:29:49 AM PST

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