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  •  Um, what? (61+ / 0-)

    I see no logic or sense in this statement. No one is talking about considering the media as doing a good job only if they echo our own beliefs and positions. Mann and Ornstein, and the diarist, are talking about the media's persistent failure to report the facts during the election, and instead trying to either portray the election as a "tied ballgame going into the final two minutes" (everyone but Fox) or "Romney's gonna send that __ back to Kenya" (Fox).

    Ideas and policies are given deference in the media in proportion to their demonstrated support in the country, and Republicans are still a pretty big party.
    Really? When did this start? If this were the case, Noam Chomsky and Amy Goodman (to cite two people on This Side of the Divide almost at random) would be on Meet the Press once every few weeks, and right-wing maniacs would be on at about the same rate. Is that happening? Check your local listings and get back with me. Or better yet, don't bother.
    •  They ARE on every Sunday (1+ / 0-)
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      Only they change their names and faces to resemble George Will and Cokie Roberts.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 05:43:21 AM PST

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      •  Who owns the channels? (4+ / 0-)

        Who controls the dissemination of information and goods?

        Every time I hear about how Democrats don't do good enough messaging (which they often don't) I think about how we're assuming that the channels along which we purvey this messaging are neutral. Well, they're not.

        There are some things that are unforgivable. Your willingness to play political games while people suffer and die is one of them--Onomastic

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 08:41:43 AM PST

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        •  Neither Chomsky nor Goodman are Democrats (2+ / 0-)

          At least, officially so, in a capacity to speak for them as such. While it's true that the establishment media goes out of its way to ignore "inconvenient" journalists and analysts like these, it continues to invite on its shows leading Dems and various left-leaning journalists, analysts and pundits, and they could certainly be stronger in defending against RW ideas and policies and promoting progressive ones, instead of enabling the former and distancing themselves from the latter.

          Some of them, of course, are not liberal Dems and/or are self-interested enough to enable RW ideas and policies. E.g. Rendell, Ford, Cuomo, etc., i.e. conservative and neoliberal Dems, who are basically yesterday's moderate Repubs. We have to pressure them to stop the hosebaggery and RW ass-kissing and start acting and talking like real Dems (i.e. liberal Dems). But there are also tough liberal Dems who stand up to the right and defend liberalism. We have to encourage them.

          You have to play the system as it's currently structured, even as you try to improve that system over the long term. We're still not playing it very well, but we're getting better. Look at the primetime lineup on MSNBC.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 08:53:51 AM PST

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        •  What you need to understand about the media (1+ / 0-)
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          can be broken down in to two parts. First the media is controlled by those people and organizations that own the media. Second they have no responsibility to tell the truth or represent both sides of an argument fairly. The abandonment of the fairness doctrine wiped out any responsibility of fairness or accuracy. News media used to be considered a public service, something you did in exchange for your radio or TV license. But with the abandonment of the Fairness Doctrine news media is entertainment and a profit center, not a public service.

          The FCC act of 1933 established a clear difference between radio and TV and newspapers on the other hand. The airwaves were owned by the public and leased with conditions to radio and TV operators. Among these conditions was a requirement for public service. Newspapers on the other hand were privately owned and not licensed and had no expectation of public service. The Fairness Doctrine laid out some of the public services broadcasters were expected to perform.

          The Reagan administration stopped enforcing the Fairness Doctrine and the Obama administration finally took the Fairness Doctrine off the books completely. A new Fairness Doctrine would require approval from Congress.

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