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  •  "Senior aides" (3+ / 0-)
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    could be almost anyone -- maybe from the White House, maybe from Boehner's office, or maybe neither.  How much credence should we put on unnamed sources?

    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

    by winsock on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 08:37:57 AM PST

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    •  All the same drama down to the denials (12+ / 0-)

      An updated version of an old saying

      Fool me 4 years, shame on you. Fool me for more years, shame on me.

      I am not interested in being a fool.

      •  Lack of confidence (1+ / 0-)
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        may lead to the anticipation of betrayal.  I understand that.  But it's not the same thing as claiming that a betrayal has transpired.  No "sell-out" has occurred.  A trial balloon is not a sell-out unless no one shoots it down.  

        Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

        by winsock on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:06:22 AM PST

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        •  I see. So you subscribe to the theory (1+ / 0-)
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          that a guy pointing a gun at you who has previously killed before is not really intending to shot although he has angrily said "I gonna git you"

          I subscribe to the theory that he's likely planning to p ull the trigger since that's been his MO in past.

          You are right - i could be wrong. but I think my chances are closer to being probable than yours.

          •  Where's the gun? (0+ / 0-)

            When I see Obama pointing it at us, I'll be right with you.  It's no more than a concealed weapon at this point.  I could be wrong, too ... we'll soon see.

            Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

            by winsock on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:29:03 AM PST

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            •  I am not interested in debating you. Sorry. n/t (0+ / 0-)
            •  Gun= SS chained CPI back on the table. (8+ / 0-)

              Gun= raising medicare eligibility age to 67.  

              •  It was never really taken off (0+ / 0-)

                the table.  IMO, it should be -- taken off the table -- in no uncertain terms.  However, as with other unpopular proposals, it may be advantageous to wait until the other side publicly advocates such things as part of a deal prior to Obama dismissing them.  

                Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

                by winsock on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 10:02:15 AM PST

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                •  Q is: did Obama learn the right lesson in 2010? (3+ / 0-)
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                  It's quite possible we wouldn't even be having this debate today if Fighting Obama had led the way in 2010. We wouldn't have to listen to The Orange One bleat his stupid talking points and threaten the debt ceiling again.

                  Have we forgotten how many Dems sat out 2010? Will Obama again be seduced by the totally false allure of Compromise and the Grand Bargain?

                  As the Republicans lead the daily chant, dutifully echoed by the MSM, of the "accepted" need to "reform entitlements", will Obama remember the endless Republican campaign lies about how he tried to destroy Medicare with his $716 billion cut (that wasn't even a cut) -- or will he convince himself that THIS TIME, an increase in the Medicare eligibility age won't be a millstone (justifiably) hung around Democratic necks for the next thirty years?

                  The only entitlement that needs reforming is the inbred belief of the 0.1% that they are entitled to 99.9% of the wealth and 100% of the power.

                  by flitedocnm on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 11:21:43 AM PST

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                  •  Well put. (3+ / 0-)

                    There is some consolation seeing that Obama isn't just shrugging his shoulders and tossing the ball to Congress -- "you guys work it out" -- as he tended to do with Obamacare.   On the other hand, previous one-on-one dealings with Boehner haven't worked out so well, either.

                    Raising the Medicare eligibility age would be disastrous move for Dems ...  long and short-term.  Even more important, it would be a disastrous move for 98% of the country.

                    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

                    by winsock on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 11:48:23 AM PST

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