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  •  What a great crystal ball you have. (3+ / 0-)
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    by TomP on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 08:54:53 AM PST

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    •  I'll overlook your sarcasm (3+ / 0-)
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      I suppose you see this going well, the prez not caving and the repubs allowed to simply go over the non-cliff?

      I'd love that but there is a little matter of Democrat behavior: which is endless compromisies and neeless caving.

      Sure we won the election - shows dems CAN win, but now we're back to actually having to consider caving over a NON-ISSUE?

      pardon my negativity about the dem batting average.

      These motherfuckers are playing games with people's lives.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:00:50 AM PST

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      •  He can't see your words through the rose (1+ / 0-)
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        tint.

      •  I don't know how it will go. (2+ / 0-)
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        I do know this is the Democratic Party, and not the Democratic Socialist Party.  In my view, seeing the Democratic Party for what it is shows a batting aveerage that is about what I would expect.  

        You assume "caving" as if this were the Democratic Socialist Party.  I assume Democrats will be Democrats, which means some support for a welfare state in a capitaistic framework.  If the working class in America has more class consciousness, the center-left party might be more left and there might not be a reactionairy House of Representatives.

        The taxes can go up and sequester happen.  Rs likely will vote for a middle class tax cut, or we might face another recession.  The real issue is the debt ceiling, in my view.  

        I disagree with the assumption that left Democrats control both houses of the legislature and they always "cave."

        Obama is far better than Romney (thank God he won), but we still have the R House.  

        I have been very happy with Obama and the Dems negotiating posture so far.  But I also know there is not complete power on all issues for Dems.

        What if there is a UE extension?  Is that worth giving up something for?   To me it depends on what the something is, I guess.

        From January 1, 2009, through November 2010, there was no "caving" on deficit reduction.  We had a 800B stimulus.  

        In November 2010, the people elcted a R House, kicking out 70 Dem reps.  Obama negotiated in the lame duck session (while he still had Dem house and senate) to get a second stimulus, a stimulus that may wll have re-elected him.  I did not like it all at the time, but maybe it was right.  

        Then in 2011, the Rs put a gun to the nation's head with the debt ceiling and they will do it over and over.   I think that needs to end.

        So far I am okay with the negotiations and I just will not jump to conclusions based on this rumor.  Politico said no progress, so there even are conflicting rumors.

        I think it is complicated and I think Obama generally has working people's interests at heart.  Obama is about as far left as the American people have chosen to be.

        In the end, the people re-elected a Republican House.   People will pay for that decision, unfortunately.  

        The question tome is how much we can achieve in spite of that.

             

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        by TomP on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:20:56 AM PST

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        •  Obama can now afford to be LESS of a priss (4+ / 0-)

          and he can lean on the repubs. He's got a mandate. He's got public polling behind him.

          I am disgusted by the political gameplaying when I am scrambling to find a second job amd Obama wants to play chicken with the future rather than being the bully he can be right now.

          I find it needless and harrowing so yeah, I assume it will go for the worse so I am less sickened by it when it happens. If it doesn't happen, I'm ok anyway.

          But the batting average and historical conduct makes me really nervous.

          The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

          by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:33:32 AM PST

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    •  Looking back 4 years, and using that as a (0+ / 0-)

      predictive model, which is more likely to happen?

      Obama strongly championing the middle class and the poor, or caving in to corporate interests?

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      by The Dead Man on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:56:48 AM PST

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