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  •  Woodward posted leaked document at NBC (3+ / 0-)
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    This is how Woodward explained this doc on Meet The Press:

    This is a confidential document, last offer the president -- the White House made last year to Speaker Boehner to try to reach this $4 trillion grand bargain.  And it's long and it's tedious and it's got budget jargon in it.  But what it shows is a willingness to cut all kinds of things, like TRICARE, which is the sacred health insurance program for the military, for military retirees; to cut Social Security; to cut Medicare. And there are some lines in there about, "We want to get tax rates down, not only for individuals but for businesses."  So Obama and the White House were willing to go quite far."
    http://presspass.nbcnews.com/...
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    •  And All Of That Happened, Right? (2+ / 0-)
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      Oh, that's right, none of it did. Conditions are exactly the same as back then too, I suppose...Or maybe not.

      End result of those negotiations? No critical programs cut and Obama in the cat bird seat NOW. Kinda looks like Obama protected SS and M/M, doesn't it?

      Oh, and of course we should take Woodward's word and interpretation on what's in there as gospel because he's soooooo reliable.

      This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

      by Beetwasher on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 03:28:17 PM PST

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      •  It was postponed til after the election (1+ / 0-)
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        It may be happening now.  A lot of this stuff was baked in during negotiations last year.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 06:32:29 PM PST

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        •  The Only Thing Baked Into Negotiatons Last Year (1+ / 0-)
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          Larsstephens

          Was defense cuts, cuts to discretionary spending (NOT SS or M/M which were PROTECTED) and tax hikes.

          Looks to me like Obama protected M/M and SS. YMMV.

          Oh, and then there's this from the guy who supposedly has a super duper, secret, eleven dimensional chess plan to cut benefits:

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          Yeah, that makes sense, Obama wants to cut the programs he just expanded.

          Man, if that ain't 11thD chess I don't know what is. He must be an eeeevil jeeenyus that Obama.

          This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

          by Beetwasher on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 06:47:01 PM PST

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