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  •  There is stunted twisted thinking in this diary (3+ / 0-)

    People choose to be black over white all the time and they do it for sane and good reasons.

    I'm Native American but I think our reasons for choosing our own people over "passing" would be much the same. First and foremost is our love of family and culture. You see, I don't much care for white society and the way they live their lives. I like Indian society and the way we choose to live our lives.

    I prefer Indian religion and following the tribal ways of my grandfathers and grandmothers which have been passed down to us over thousands of years. Christianity seems silly to me as I read about all those they exclude and their magical thinking about mankinds place in the circle of life.

    I also prefer my people way of enjoying themselves. To us dancing and singing are ingrained in about everything we do. Powwows are somewhat well known as our way of having fun, and they are fun, with dances and songs and competitions which include everyone from young to old. But alongside powwows are many other entertainments like stick ball games for women and men which also begin and end in song and dance. There are also sports and other gatherings which bind the people together. Being Indian is just plain damn fun.

    I perfer the way we organize our society and know our extended family, clans and societies. Warrior societies, Clan Mothers societies, Elders societies, Women societies of many different sorts based on various activities. All make being Indian a good basis for growing up in and taking part in. All age groups together and all income groups as one.

    I like the way our societies are not stratified by money (well that has changed some but not as much as non-Indian society) our poorest person can and do become tribal leaders if they are qualified.

    So yes, our long range prospects for things like college and good jobs may be hurt somewhat by being Indian and openly living as such. But know what Chauncy, to me the rational, sane and intelligent decision for me is to choose being Ponca Indian in all our glory. Your thinking on the matter seems twisted and a sure way to live an unhappy life of stunted futures. Put simply I'd rather live my life than Mitt Rmoneys any day.

    America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

    by cacamp on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 03:04:06 PM PST

    •  huh twisted thinking? you mean real talk (0+ / 0-)

      honesty, and transparency. the condition of first nation's people and black people are at times similar and at other times very different. oppression takes on many forms.

      re: Native Americans there are many who choose to pass for white.  This is a huge issue among native people. Tragically, the Racial State and Jim and Jane Crow America ran schools and programs--Dartmouth's being one of the most famous--to civilize and deracinate our indigenous brothers and sisters. That legacy continues today.

      I am a pretty happy guy. I hope you are trolling, but on the off chance you are serious I hope that you realize that as a person of color--and heck, if you aren't rich, the Mitt Romneys of the world have it in for you both because of your color and your class.

      •  well, I didn't write that very well (5+ / 0-)

        My writing was meant to respond the those "tragic mullatos" in the diary who make a concious decision to 'pass', not you or those who choose another path. So I'm neither trolling nor unserious. I just didn't make my point clear and hit post too soon. Here is what I wanted to respond to...

        The young tragic mulattoes on CNN understand this fact. The black people who can pass for white in Pike County, Ohio certainly understand this fact: there, one of them even states that being black in America is too difficult, and who would want to be such a thing?

        Thus, a provocative question: would any "rational" actor choose to be black (or not white) in America?

        The issue of 'passing' is a concern to us because we really need those young folks who leave the tribe. We are trying to live red in a sea of white so it's very hard to lose anyone. It's been happening at such a rate for so long we're kinda numb to it. It's very common for us to meet and talk with people who want to reconnect with their "Indian Heritage" because their folks had chosen to pass sometimes in their past. Or they were forced to do so which is another story too.

        Today most of them don't even do it by a concious choice. They just drift away, sometimes over generations. Intermarriage has taken it own toll along with adoption and child stealing. The governments "relocation" programs of the 40's -70's took a major toll on our people. We were given money and job assitance to move off the rez to cities and many were never seen at home again.

        America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

        by cacamp on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 04:00:50 PM PST

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      •  chauncy - carter (cacamp) is not trolling (1+ / 0-)
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        i realize you may not participate much in other diaries/communities here but you perhaps need an introduction

        our brother fought at Wounded Knee - and is one of the strongest anti-racist voices here at Dkos.

        jes sayin'

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        by Denise Oliver Velez on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 08:22:24 PM PST

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    •  by stunted and twisted I mean (5+ / 0-)

      on the part of those who reject their family heritage to pass as a white person. I feel sorry for how much they lose to gain so little.

      My sister married a white man and had twins with him before they parted. The girl is blond and blue eyed while the boy is dark skinned and dark eyed. In other words my niece looks white but she grew up being Indian and as far as I know she has never thought of herself any other way. She participates fully in Indian ways and religion. She married a Ponca man and they have beautiful brown kids.

      In my comment above I neglected to mention our language which is so integral to our way of life too. It's another thing which binds us together as Ponca.

      America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

      by cacamp on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 03:18:42 PM PST

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    •  damn, this is a mistake... (4+ / 0-)
      Your thinking on the matter seems twisted and a sure way to live an unhappy life of stunted futures.
      I said "your" when I meant "Their", sorry.

      America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

      by cacamp on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 03:22:02 PM PST

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      •  now i got you :) yes, so very sad (3+ / 0-)

        how do you work with them to reclaim their proud past. if forgot where i read this observation about the shame felt by some blacks, native americans, and even jews in certain circumstances, but the observation was that we feel "ashamed" and "embarrassed" because our people "lost." we should not be ashamed of anything because we did nothing wrong; moreover we triumphed when whole groups of people would have given up, surrendered, or been vanquished.

        there is lots of pride and honor there. that wisdom has carried me through lots of things.

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