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  •  BATNA: Best alternative to a negotiated agreement (10+ / 0-)

    The cliff is our BATNA and doesn't look nearly as bad as a negotiated agreement. However, after Christmas, I suspect the Republicans will get a little more serious.

    I have never been able to figure out if Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party or is the Republican Party the political subsidiary of Fox.

    by Dave from Oregon on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 12:32:02 PM PST

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    •  Cliff is the Reps' BATNA too. (6+ / 0-)

      Remember, they do not give a shit about the country...just whether donors are happy and Norquist does not get them primaried

      •  No; they have no BATNA. (0+ / 0-)

        There is a difference.
        It is possible that they think the "cliff" rhetoric is working in the public sphere, and that they can win where Gingrich failed along these same lines, but that is not the same thing as planning for the aftermath.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 01:33:43 PM PST

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        •  Did you read Mark Thiessen today? (2+ / 0-)
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          They are still deep in their bubble.  He's urging them to stand firm on principle - as if they had any.

          •  I did not, no. (1+ / 0-)
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            I think there is a difference between what bubbles Republicans in Congress live in and what everyone else with an "R" next to their name lives in. I still think many Rs in Congress know exactly that their public positions are BS, and that they are harmful to the country at large. They are simply cynical pols (and/or rich biz types) cashing in on the deception. Those below the 99%? Not so much.

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 01:47:39 PM PST

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          •  Who in the hell is Mark Thiessen? n/t (0+ / 0-)
    •  They won't. (0+ / 0-)

      After Christmas, the Republicans suspect that you will get a little more serious.

      And that, in a nutshell, is why there will be no agreement. Sequestration was a bad policy formulated on the impressively stupid idea that punishment meted out equally to both sides would force those sides to compromise. Instead, Democrats focus only on the things that will hurt the Republicans, and Republicans focus only on the things that will hurt Democrats. Rather than give everyone a reason to work together, they give everyone cover for refusing to do so. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

      •  hmm tax increases and military cuts (1+ / 0-)
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        seem like a pretty big incentive for the Republicans to get serious, but perhaps you are correct.

        I have never been able to figure out if Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party or is the Republican Party the political subsidiary of Fox.

        by Dave from Oregon on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 05:42:43 PM PST

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