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  •  Oh I hope so... (13+ / 0-)
    I think things are finished as far as "negotiations."  
    Let it all fall apart, the most important thing would be for the tax cuts for the top 2% to expire - even if that means OURS go up too.

    Then they can hang it on the R's AND get the tax cuts back for us.  If not, we'll have to go after them hard for the midterms...

    Let the fucking R's OWN THIS fucking mess - for once.

    I hope President Obama stays strong on this.  

    "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." Ted Kennedy 1980 DNC Keynote Speech

    by Dumas EagerSeton on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 12:50:59 PM PST

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    •  Short term vs. medium term. Tactics vs. strategy. (3+ / 0-)

      In the short term, "going off the cliff" might be a PR disaster for the GOP without doing much harm to the economy.

      But if not fixed within a few weeks or a month or so, "going off the cliff" would amount to replicating European austerity programs. And they've been economically disastrous.

      So the question is whether the potential tactical PR gain is worth the risk of strategic economic loss.

      "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

      by HeyMikey on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 01:30:07 PM PST

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      •  More simply, it boils down to principles. Stick (1+ / 0-)
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        to the right principles and let the chips fall where they may.

        •  What principles? (0+ / 0-)

          My principles involve easing the lot of the unemployed, the working poor, the middle class. Going off the "fiscal cliff" for more than a few weeks would hurt them.

          "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

          by HeyMikey on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 02:26:09 PM PST

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          •  More or less than raising the medicare and/or (4+ / 0-)

            social security age would?  Because that is probably what the Rethugs will demand in exchange for not going off the cliff.

            You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

            by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 02:44:49 PM PST

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            •  They can ask but they won't get it, not this time (3+ / 0-)
              More or less than raising the medicare and/or social security age would?  Because that is probably what the Rethugs will demand in exchange for not going off the cliff
              around...

              The pressure from the White House and the Senate AND us could force R's to cave this time around.  We gotta stand strong and let our POTUS know we have his back as long as he keeps the Rethuglicans' feet to the fire.

              "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." Ted Kennedy 1980 DNC Keynote Speech

              by Dumas EagerSeton on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 03:04:43 PM PST

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      •  And that fix will be made with R House majority, (0+ / 0-)

        still fixated on austerity and cutting social insurance programs.

        Will next year's House be any better than the current one? As long as Rs have the House majority, I don't love any of the options.

        The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

        by SoCalSal on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 03:16:22 PM PST

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    •  Cut off our nose to spite our face? (1+ / 0-)
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      Have you seriously thought this through? Make people that are actually affected by taxes pay more just to get at the people who make enough that it wont?

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