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  •  Maybe good short-term strategy; med-term BAD. (1+ / 0-)
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    what whit

    As in my other comments on this diary: http://www.dailykos.com/...

    More in this exchange: http://www.dailykos.com/...

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 02:31:09 PM PST

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    •  medicare to 67 isn't a short-term problem (5+ / 0-)

      The bad alternatives are long-term cuts to new deal programs.

      A 6 month recession would be bad, but not as bad as cutting the new deal programs for all future seniors.

      •  it depends... (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not saying it's worth paying any price to avoid the FC. I'm just saying the FC would not be painless, and certainly not substantively beneficial, as some here seem to imply.

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 07:41:32 PM PST

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    •  Okay. Makes sense. (1+ / 0-)
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      ferg

      But I don't see any stimulas in the works. Since tax rates are going up on investment income (capitol gains etc) and personal rates, what happens wit hthat extra dough. I'm all for the tax and spend moniker depending on what the money is spent on. Because I know it's not going to sit idle. Is it? Because I know that that money isn't going to be used to pay the deficit.

      Also, aren't taxes on "middle class" people going up anyway with the extension of the payroll tax cut? Is this a way to blame the GOP for tax hikes? Or a quiet death of a good stimulus, albeit one that effectively "robs" Social Security?

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