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  •  Wow. Um, I'm no O******t, but I gotta say, (2+ / 0-)

    that's way more cynical than I'm willing to sign off on.

    In particular, the Republicans did not deliberately get Obama re-elected. That's just frigging silly.

    And the idea of Obama being friendlier with Cantor than with Boehner? Also just silly. To the extent that Boehner gives Obama cover to “compromise” and thereby get the policy he wants (this is a level of cynicism I'm much more comfortable with), that only works because Boehner is at least superficially not as nutso as the GOP base. Wouldn't work with Cantor.

    Finally, if anything, Obama always seemed to be working from the assumption that striking an adversarial pose was a bad thing for electoral politics. Hope'n'change and all that. Given that he's been taking harder stances ever since he was re-elected, it's hard for me to reconcile that with the idea that he'll be lovey-dovey now that he's safe.

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    by Code Monkey on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 02:52:46 PM PST

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    •  oh, there's no malice in it at all (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama thinks he's doing it for our own good. He buys into the voodoo economics bit about how Medicare and SS are bankrupting America, and he's determined to prune them back and bring America back to fiscal health.

      Didn't Sun Tzu once say something about how a general must sometimes deceive his allies in order to achieve his goals? I'm sure Obama justifies his deceptions to himself in the same way.

      He justifies his little ploy in terms of the greater good. In his mind, since the Democratic base isn't going to voluntarily make the hard choice to slash Medicare/SS, he must trick them into doing it, for their own good.

      His pretending to be adversarial towards the GOP was a necessary evil for him to win a second term--to convince the base that he would be tougher. Now he's safely reelected, and can dispense with that pose since he will never be running again. He's free to be as bipartisan as he wants to be--which is a lot, if you listen to how often he talks about it.

      Again, I'm sure the justification is something like "I'll be able to do so much good in my second term, that will more than make up for my having to tell this little lie now."

      It's precisely because he's absolutely free of malice that he can accomplish what Bush could not and take an axe to the New Deal. If there were an ounce of malice in him, he would arouse tremendous resistance. But since there isn't, he can advance unopposed.

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      by limpidglass on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 03:26:49 PM PST

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