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  •  I don't understand. You are saying that... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...keeping violent felons from obtaining guns except by means of strict restoration of rights legislation won't pass?

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    by Meteor Blades on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 11:50:52 PM PST

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    •  non violent felons would be easier than violent (2+ / 0-)
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      felons to successfully include in any successful proposed legislation..the pot smoker vs a bank robber.

      Now maybe we're talking from opposite sides of the premise here, I am saying the ex felons I know are NOT allowed a gun, even for self defense, even on their own property...as is I believe existing law.
           I am suggesting liberalizing that law to allow ex convicts convicted of NON violent crimes to possess one weapon to be kept on the property only.

         To include as a reform measure I would NOT include restoration of limited gun possession rights to ex felons convicted of a crime including violennce.

      (the term 'violent' here in my terms means convicted of a violent crime rather than any non violent type crime...possession of weed, fraud, etc, such review to include any violent prison charges as well).
          I suggested a sheriff/police level review and permit in addition to the national background check for purchase. The sheriff would have maybe local knowledge that may not have yet been entered into the national database...such as pending/recent arrests, undercover surveillance, etc. and to include any relevant review of prison records.
         What to do about the ability to challenge the sheriff's refusal I couldn't right now say...maybe a 60 day re-review and then the petitioner's right to some court challenge? not a lawyer, heh...or a sheriff or convict.

      So, yes, in any gun law package, to include restoring gun rights to the convicted non violent offender is politically easier than supporting laws restoring gun rights to those previously convicted of violent crimes. Voting rights issues for another time but certainly...

      I am suggesting to include restoration of gun rights to those released ex felons convicted of non violent crimes as part of any gun law reform package...a liberalizing measure amongst the backdrop of the stricter proposals.
           Those convicted of a violent crime should not be part of any such proposal, politically...and even theoretically, imo.
          The violent offender has once chosen to be violent already, the non violent didn't in spite of the increased provocations of prison...as determined by his/her 'record'...that record not much of an ultimate measure of a person, but it's what we have to work with until we can mind read..

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      by KenBee on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:34:46 AM PST

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      •  Ah. I get you now. And I agree. I was... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...only saying previously that I think violent felons should have to jump through hoops. Now, in many states, they don't. So I was arguing against liberalizing the law(s) on this.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:38:06 AM PST

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        •  ha, states different than feds yet again.. (1+ / 0-)
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          so my whole babble was about calif experience, not a federal level reform..
          ignorance ain't bliss no matter what they tell ya!

          thanks..

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          by KenBee on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:44:07 AM PST

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          •  I do think that introducing (2+ / 0-)
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            this in a federal law would set the national hair on fire. I'm uncomfortable w/it unless there are extreme circumstances as I said in my reply to MB. Like you I had no idea that it is allowed in certain states. In my state it requires the record be expunged.

            "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

            by high uintas on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 08:14:55 AM PST

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            •  non-violent record vs violent record (2+ / 0-)
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              43north, high uintas

              you introduced the non violent record, here at least, then ban nock at 6:19 and MB at 7:20 started up about the violent felons and then confusion...heh.

              Now it was late and we were tired so there's that, but if three dkos geneii...ok, two, can get crossways that quick in a written discussion (where you can read it), you are probably right: nation's collective hair on fire, never pretty.

              I was saying as how that non violent offender's rights should be simply and locally restored to add to the likihood any reasonable and well written gun law package could be passed....see, trying to help there as best I can where it hadn't been suggested yet.

              I had also asked MB's and anybody's opinion on how to screen for mental health issues and we didn't get the perfect or any answer there either...but a good diary, and so far all I have seen are mostly excellent comments, thanks for the contribution, ya done good here.

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              by KenBee on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:30:59 PM PST

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