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  •  Since that's proven so productive in the past... (4+ / 0-)
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    Likewise, all Israel has to do is end the punitive blockade that limits food and medicine imports, and vacate the settlements...

    The problem is neither party is making any move in the right direction, and continued aggression from the other side makes it less and less likely to happen in the future.

    •  And in response to that Hamas will step up the (3+ / 0-)
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      attacks. In fact, they will do it no matter what Israel does.

      •  Quite possibly because they've learned that (4+ / 0-)
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        stopping the attacks does nothing.  Similarly, Israel has learned that stopping settlement expansion doesn't do much good, either.

        Pointing at one side and screaming that it's all the other's fault just doesn't make much sense.

        I'll admit that I'm most sympathetic to Palestinian civilians, since they tend to end up dead the most often, and don't have a whole lot of prospects for economic success (Exports are blockaded, too, as a pure collective punishment measure - Israel is not worried about the Palestinians exporting weapons to Iran, methinks).

    •  Not trying to murder people worked for me. (3+ / 0-)
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      For 37 years so far. It's been very productive.

      I heartily recommend everyone try it.

      "Likewise, all Israel has to do is end the punitive blockade that limits food and medicine imports, and vacate the settlements..."

      The blockade is there to reduce the accumulation of rockets in Gaza. No rockets -- no blockade.

      •  That argument doesn't work. (1+ / 0-)
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        Not when they limit (Not block) food.  At various times, they've blocked wheelchairs, chocolate, limited medical supplies, etc.  They also block exports, limiting economic development.  It's clearly an economic blockade, not a purely economic on.

        I'll add that, in fact, most Palestinians have not killed anyone, either, and it hasn't proven very productive.  I'd even go so far as to posit that a greater portion of Israel's population has kill Palestinians than the other way around.  (There are a lot more Palestinian deaths, and fewer Israelis to have caused them.  Also, Israel has mandatory military service).

        •  *economic blockade, not a purely military one (1+ / 0-)
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        •  So how about this... (0+ / 0-)

          Hamas agrees that everything that is shipped through Israeli crossings has to come through on an Israeli vehicle.

          Have all goods for Gaza delivered to the U.N. and then have the U.N. AND Israeli inspectors go through it, and then ship the wheelchairs, chocolate, limited med. supplies on Israeli vehicles into Gaza.

          THUS.... Gaza gets the supplies it claims to need and Israel get the security it does need.

          Looks like a win-win for all sides.

          "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

          by volleyboy1 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 03:25:00 PM PST

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          •  Correction... All goods coming to the strip (0+ / 0-)

            not just the ones through the Israeli Crossings.

            "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

            by volleyboy1 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 03:26:25 PM PST

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            •  For exports, at least, (0+ / 0-)

              it's been written that Israel inspections don't allow for the cheap shipping available elsewhere, preventing competition internationally...And this is for the West Bank.

              Surely they won't be treating Gaza any better.

              I'd love to see the settlements dismantled, the blockades go away, the violence from both sides end, and a Palestinian state...  I just don't see any path for any of that to happen, regardless of what either side tries to do.

              •  I don't know... I don't really see any realistic (2+ / 0-)
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                paths that anyone, Israeli, Palestinian, American or anyone else really "likes". I am not sure there is one. I know what I would like to see, but that might not be what you or someone else would like.

                And that is the problem. No one is going to get what they want no matter what.

                "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

                by volleyboy1 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 04:57:52 PM PST

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          •  Claims? There's a question? (1+ / 0-)
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            Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

            by Smoh on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 03:34:51 PM PST

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