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  •  Well, it's a little worse than that: (12+ / 0-)

    Scalia does conflate morality and religion but he does so in error: not even the catechism of the Roman Catholic Church compares murder and homosexuality. Now, I disagree with the Church's teaching on homosexuality as expressed in its official catechism but I will say this: the case made on the basis of "natural law" is at least well-argued and can be rationally debated (and often is, within the Church itself). Scalia's argument is totally bogus. The old Jesuit who taught me how to debate could take Scalia apart in about five seconds.

    I am gay, and I'm getting married in the Episcopal Church, just like my great-grandmother did.

    by commonmass on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 06:13:15 AM PST

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    •  Agree, but (8+ / 0-)

      Religion covers a wider range of belief than official teachings at any given time might suggest.  In the wider view of religious beliefs among the flock, views like Scalia's are common and are ascribed to religion.  The basis for the views might be simple prejudice and bigotry, but the religious pseudo-justifications used to support them bring them under the religious umbrella.  

      Scalia's a sour old Catholic bigot, and he's gotten a little lazy about disguising it on the bench.  

      Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

      by Dallasdoc on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 06:18:01 AM PST

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    •  I would argue Scalia's religion is tinged with (9+ / 0-)

      American Protestant Fundamentalism which in some of its more extreme forms does equate being gay with being a murderer.
      RCC recognizes a hierarchy of sins (disclaimer: I am not an expert on RCC theology by any stretch of the imagination) while Fundamentalism does not.  Therefore, among some SBC, as an example, lying to your MIL is as deadly a sin as murdering her and will land you in Hell.  (Now, dropping Jesus' name will get you out but that is another discussion.)
      I find Scalia to be a Buffet Catholic much as I find him to be a Buffet Constitutional Scholar

      •  Sadly, American Roman Catholicism (6+ / 0-)

        has been deeply infected by Biblical literalism and Evangelical Protestant ideas. The obsession with fetuses and f*ggots, for instance. But worse, a kind of willful ignorance of official teachings on all sorts of matters. The Magisterium, being almost comically conservative in some ways and staggeringly incompetent in others, isn't helping matters. Frankly, it's the reason I left the Church.

        How the Roman church could produce both Scalia and Dorothy Day is beyond me.

        I am gay, and I'm getting married in the Episcopal Church, just like my great-grandmother did.

        by commonmass on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 06:46:41 AM PST

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        •  There's still hope (7+ / 0-)

          while not Catholic, I go to mass all the time (elderly in-laws).  The conservative parish they go to made a big push before the election against same sex marriage.  That, and all the "religious freedom" BS has resulted in lighter attendance and a drop in revenue.  They used to print information about their quarterly income from parishioners in the bulletin.  The income started going down and then they stopped printing the data... which corresponded to campaign season and all the useless BS the bishops made them preach.  

          My sense, from my wife's large and extended Polish-American family, is that even the conservatives don't care that much about this issue anymore.  The young ones?  Pro marriage equality, every one.  One of the most conservative of my wife's cousins is a doctor, an educated man, but very conservative.  It can't have escaped him that one of his sons is almost certainly gay.  Poor kid's going to have a hard time coming out, but he knows our politics at least and he knows plenty of folks have his back, and his age-mates are not going to reject him.  And so his parents are starting to shift.  Again, these are people who tend to follow what the priest says, but they are not necessarily cruel.  The Catholic Church could do itself a favor by just getting out of the way on this issue, because times are changing so fast that these anti-gay sermons drive down attendance and people think for themselves.  

          Scalia is out of step even with rank and file Catholics.  He's an embarrassment to himself and to the religion, but he's just like most of the bishops - aging, thinks he's smarter than he is, angry that the world is moving on and rejecting him, etc.  

          “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

          by ivorybill on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 07:42:52 AM PST

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          •  Communist Hungary did that: (5+ / 0-)

            when they had the highest suicide rates in Europe, they stopped collecting data on suicides to avoid the embarrassment. And having lived a few months in Communist Hungary, I'm here to tell you that is was about the least abusive of the Eastern Bloc regimes.

            I am gay, and I'm getting married in the Episcopal Church, just like my great-grandmother did.

            by commonmass on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 07:53:53 AM PST

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