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  •  No it isn't (2+ / 0-)
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    JBL55, SilentBrook

    Two very different things, since drawing a parrallel only involve some aspects of the things compared, while equating involves all of them.   Of course Scalia is correct. One can reach moral judgments about homosexuality.  I for example find homosexuality just great, while the philosophies and religions that condemn it morally abhorrent.    

    At core, all legislative enactments embody some kind of moral judgment.    It isn't a very sophisticated statement really, but seemingly people still struggle understanding it

    Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

    by Mindful Nature on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 09:06:44 AM PST

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    •  He's playing word games (2+ / 0-)
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      LuvSet, Tennessee Dave

      He of course means more, but doesn't quite say it, so he gets to pretend he didn't mean more.

      The question for hte listener is are you going to limit yourself to pretending he didn't mean more in a world of homophobia.

      •  He's a lawyer (0+ / 0-)

        and one very much used to keeping in mind fine logical distinctions.  I take him to mean exactly what he says, that he is drawing a parallel, not equating them.  As I noted these are very different.  

        I also take him at his word when he admits to being a homophobe who thinks criminalization is the way to go, but that is a separate statement.  However, it does rather obviate the need to engage in pop psych tea leafreading disingenuousness to reacha conclusion that he is pretty much willing to give you right up front.

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 10:53:30 AM PST

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        •  I am a lawyer (1+ / 0-)
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          Tennessee Dave

          He using the language to manipulate people like you because he's hiding behind that language to say some really bigoted things.

          This is not the first time he's said bigoted thing about gays.

          I am also Black. One of the things that I have mentioned to my White gay friends is that they can look forward to bigotry using the kind of hair spliting that Scalia is using to rationalize that bigotry and for it to work on a part of the population

          For the record, the same hair splitting was used to decide the case they overturned Bowers v Hardwich, and the problem with that hair splitting is the same as saying I am attacking the behavior of Jews, but not them being jewish. Its sophistry although it appears to be more if one wants to buy into it. You can't compare being gay to being a criminal without being a homophobe because the act of being gay is a part of the underling trait that defines the gay person. Just like being Jewish means performing certain rites.

          Like I said, this sort  of splitting hairs works when one had an audience that wants to be manipulated by it.

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