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  •  I strongly believe this is our biggest threat (4+ / 0-)

    If we don't do anything about gerrymandering, and in particular if the 2020 election goes like the 2010 one did we're going to be underdogs for years to come, and the rethugs will control the House and most state legislatures, ramming through union killing laws and basically stacking the decks even further in their favor.

    I think we need a concerted effort in every heavily gerrymandered state filing lawsuits about the unconstitutionality of the gerrymandered districts.

    Atheism is a religion like Abstinence is a sexual position. - Bill Maher, 2/3/2012

    by sleipner on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 10:54:20 AM PST

    •  firstly 2010 will never really be like 2020 (9+ / 0-)

      Because the big difference is that it will be a presidential year,  so Democratic turnout will not be as horrendously bad as it was during 2010 (that's what really hurt is many states)

      Also giving R's the house could put them in a terrible position. With them thinking "hey we can the house being crazy conservative, anti-gay, anti-immigration, etc.", they will never moderate. This in turn would make them less electable at the state and national level. Making harder senate races and the presidency.

      Also demographics are continuing change mostly in our favor. I mean look at Arizona, it voted pretty handily for romney but democrats (without a D gerrymander, they had a non partisan map)  actually will have a majority in the house delegation, the 2nd time in almost over 50 years!

      My homestate of California can probably squeeze out another 3-4 seats as the decade goes on.

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      by lordpet8 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 11:11:44 AM PST

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      •  <--in CA too (1+ / 0-)
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        Good points all, part of the reason the rethugs are winning is they have no compunctions or scruples about doing anything and everything to win, even if it is blatantly wrong or evil.  Dems tend to be nicer and more respectful of the rule of law and government, so we don't massively gerrymander like they do (usually).  

        I hadn't thought about 2020 being a prez year, good point!  Course it will be a 2nd term election, which isn't usually as high a turnout as a 1st term, but hopefully Hillary Clinton's or Elizabeth Warren's popularity pull us through ;)

        I think the biggest problem is that the rethugs are systematically dismembering unions, the only major financial player opposing them almost everywhere, so unless Citizen's United goes down we'll be outspent 20 or 30 to 1 instead of the 5 to 1 it's at now...

        Atheism is a religion like Abstinence is a sexual position. - Bill Maher, 2/3/2012

        by sleipner on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 12:56:29 PM PST

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        •  I think your take on Citizens United is wrong, ie. (0+ / 0-)

          it was a reaction to the fact that internet fundraising changed the game in politics in such a fundamental way, starting in 2006 and especially 2008.  The manner in which grassroots fundraising had such an impact in 2008 scared the devil out of the Republicans, so their captive Supreme Court let Citizens United spring to life via their ruling.

          The Unions still are a big player, but direct grass-roots fundraising is playing an ever greater role.  The Republicans are probably trying to figure out a way to shut that down, as well.

          Citizens United sucks, but we won't be outspent 20 or 30 to 1.

          "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

          by Lawrence on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 04:05:58 PM PST

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