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  •  Couldn't work (4+ / 0-)
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    Crimes can be pardoned, but can debt to the IRS?  Not sure, and I doubt it.  And it's politically impossible.

    •  Pardons (5+ / 0-)

      Pardons have to be given for actual convicted federal crimes, not handed out as some kind of blanket-statement to cover future transgressions. (You are thinking of Catholic Indulgences)

      Pardons have to be petitioned INDIVIDUALLY so you are asking for 200+ million pardons here.  They have to be reviewed by the Office of the Pardon Attorney within the DOJ and each one summarized with a formal recommendation.  They are issued to a specifically named person and have to be formally accepted as the acceptance carries with it the admission of guilt.

      In short:  This is a nonsensical idea.

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 10:33:05 AM PST

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      •  Not to mention that this is wild and dangerous. (2+ / 0-)
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        The executive pardon serves as a check for injustices caused by imperfect legislation that the judiciary has no power to correct on a case-by-case basis. It is woefully underused, to be sure, but it does not exist as a way to pre-emptively circumvent the legislative mechanism.

        Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?

        by ConfusedSkyes on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 11:16:26 AM PST

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      •  Wisper - I agree it is a nonsensical idea (2+ / 0-)
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        But didn't Jimmy Carter issue a blanket pardon for all the draft dodgers who went to Canada during the Vietnam War?

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 11:18:58 AM PST

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        •  He made an Executive Proclimation (2+ / 0-)
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          whereby if you fell under the criteria outlined you could apply directly for a pardon.

          Still required a conviction though.  See the link next posts below (even though he/she did not actually read it).

          Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

          by Wisper on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 04:38:26 PM PST

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      •  not true - Pres Carter's Draft Dogger Amnesty (1+ / 0-)
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        No criminal prosecution was necessary.

        Still the diary's idea is terrible.

        The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

        by nextstep on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 12:18:32 PM PST

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        •  Um... dont just post links, read them too! (0+ / 0-)

          Nice link... please click it and read whats there.  It is very educational.

          It has some interesting facts about this like:

          you may obtain an individual certificate of pardon evidencing the fact that this Pardon Proclamation applies to you. The certificate will be issued only if you were convicted of such an offense.

          If you were arrested for and/or charged with a Military Selective Service Act violation for an offense committed during the relevant time period, but your prosecution ended in some fashion other than conviction (such as dismissal of charges or an acquittal), you are not eligible to seek a certificate of pardon.

          Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

          by Wisper on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 04:42:26 PM PST

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