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  •  Libertarian ideology is radically environmentalist (2+ / 0-)
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    joe shikspack, Lady Libertine

    Rhetorically it has been appropriated for an corporate statist anti-regulatory agenda. However, libertarianism rests on a deontological moral theory of absolute rights. When a libertarian comes to conceive of pollution as a kind of vandalism, then they are forced into an absolute stance against pollution. Liberalism tends to be a little more utilitarian, so small amounts of pollution may be tolerated if the increased industrial output has broad general benefits (or in a Rawlsian framework-which is less utilitarian but still more flexible-if it is maximin optimal). However for a libertarian consistently applying their principles pollution is a violation of property rights and should be banned absolutely with no flexibility or exception.

    Of course, not many libertarians are prepared to follow their view through to the logical consequences, but on the eminent domain issue it really is a sore spot. They HATE the Kelo decision (rightly so). They can be brought around to opposing a lot of fossil fuel infrastructure expansion because it requires eminent domain. (Environmentalists who want to see expanded rail and improved grid infrastructure, however, are playing with fire by stoking anti-ed sentiment).

    Passive renunciation is not the whole of wisdom.

    by play jurist on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 12:41:54 AM PST

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    •  i wouldn't get my hopes up too high... (2+ / 0-)
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      Lady Libertine, play jurist

      about bringing libertarians around on this issue.  it has been my experience that there are very few pure ideologues out there, who hew to an ideology because of its architecture.  rather, it has always appeared to me that people appropriate the ideology and ideological labels that best promote their individual interests.

      i haven't run across too many libertarian environmentalists over the years.  just sayin'...

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 06:09:04 AM PST

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      •  The younger generation of campus (1+ / 0-)
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        libertarians are, in my experience, open to considering these arguments. Indeed, "left libertarianism" is a bit of a movement. However, you're certainly right that the emotionally alienated "MINE" libertarianism of angry white guys who failed to advance past middle management is pretty insensitive to reason.

        Passive renunciation is not the whole of wisdom.

        by play jurist on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 01:49:00 AM PST

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