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  •  Solidarity Forever n/t (22+ / 0-)

    There is no such thing as an off year election. Every election effects each other. We need to work as hard in 2014 as we did in 2012.

    by pollbuster on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:54:01 PM PST

    •  In order to form a more perfect union (17+ / 0-)

      The reason the country was founded was to form a more perfect union. The reason we have fought our wars was to preserve that union; both from internal and external threats.

      Republicans seem to equate secession and threatening the country's unification with freedom as a state of being without limits and the right to rebel against authority as states rights in that context.

      I don't know who came up with the story about breaking twigs and then trying to break them after they were all bundled together, but I'm pretty sure it goes back to the mammoth hunters at least.

      Hunters band together to take down big game because it beats scavenging what's left after the lion finishes.

      Agricultural workers band together to dig irrigation ditches because they who control the water control the land. "If you can't dig that you can't eat this."

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:08:48 AM PST

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    •  Government not a reliable advocate (7+ / 0-)

      I too do not see our government as a reliable advocate for working people.

      Sad, because the rise and fall of our middle class in America pretty perfectly parallels the rise and fall of unions in America.

      But I understand we no longer have a governemnt that is of the people, by the people, and for the people.  Instead we have a government of by and for the wealthy interests.  And of course the wealthy interests that hire workers want to pay those workers less, to keep more for themselves.

      But the wealthy interests seem to not understand that a strong middle class is necessary to make America the great consumer market that it once was.  Wages and hours have been cut for American workers, and the American workers can no longer afford to buy all the things needed to keep business and the economy booming.  Hence, our stagnant economic state.

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:12:41 AM PST

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      •  The reason for that is the voting percentage. (6+ / 0-)

        Why should pols care when only 40% care enough to go vote?
        When you see higher voting percentiles, you see the will of the people more perfectly reflected in the vote, as in this last election.
        We also saw the enemies of the will of the people attempt to drive down the voting percentages.
        It's pretty clear to me.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:15:45 AM PST

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        •  This is key - the only way to offset the $$$$$$$ (2+ / 0-)
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          is with engaged voters.  How far does the 1% have to go before people wake up and get involved?

          “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

          by ahumbleopinion on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:32:55 AM PST

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        •  The role of money (2+ / 0-)
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          I agree that voting participation is low and that encourages complacency among our law-makers.

          But I invite you to consider the role of money in the thinking of our law-makers.  In order to get a stay in office, politicians need to raise a great deal of money for a successful campaign.  Wealthy and corporate interests have money to give.  And with that gift, the wealthy donor gets the ready ear of the law-maker: "hey, we think taxes for the wealthy should be lower", or "all those regulations are hurting our business"

          Who do you think the law-maker will pay attention to?  The voters who do not give out big financial gifts (and many of whom stay home at voting time), or the voters with large amounts of money to donate?  

          Our law-makers no longer represent "the people" because our law-makers understand that if they want to keep their jobs as representatives, they HAVE to represent the wealthy and corporate interests.  this requirement that our law-makers must solicit and receiving private financial gifts to hold public office is inherently corrupting.

          When you understand this dynamic, it becomes readily apparent why our law-makers keep voting for lower taxes in the face of budget deficits, why nothing is done about climate change, and why workers' bargaining rights are being whittled away.

          "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

          by Hugh Jim Bissell on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:06:16 AM PST

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    •  We need to find a way for workers to join (5+ / 0-)
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      in solidarity without being officially in a union.  The battle is bigger than the relationship between an individual company and its workers.  The battle is the 1% and their political tools, the Republican Party vs the 99%.  

      As shown in MI, the 1% is ruthless in achieving their goals. No compromise, no bipartisanship, no consideration of workers' rights.  Fighting back via unions alone is not enough.

      “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

      by ahumbleopinion on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:30:09 AM PST

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