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  •  Lawrence O'Donnell conducted a (9+ / 0-)

    very disappointing interview this evening.
    He had on a Republican Congressman who argued that the way to revive the economy was "through jobs and not tax increases."
    I watched and waited with bated breath for him to complete his thought as I just knew Lawrence was going to hit that one out of ball park.
    I licked my lips and waited. And waited. And watched in disbelief as Lawrence politely thanked him for coming on this evening.
    No question about him not supporting the President's job bill.

    Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

    by JoanMar on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:39:16 PM PST

    •  You could go on forever... (8+ / 0-)

      highlighting hypocrisy with these Republicans.  He needed to also get to the powerful interview with Jordan Davis's parents, as well as ripping Grover Norquist a new asshole for his rape joke and belittling of Obama.

    •  I saw thought and thought the same thing (12+ / 0-)

      If that Republican was so concerned about jobs, why didn't House Republicans vote for the, you know, JOBS ACT?!

      And this crap that Republicans are trying to pawn off about their beloved tax cuts for the rich (they don't contribute much to the debt) now that they've lost the election on it, is pathetic.

      There's only one thing that's driving up the debt more than the Republican tax cuts for the rich, and that would be the two wars that Republicans put on a credit card. And they sure as hell aren't going to agree to any cuts in Military Industrial Complex spending.

      Chicago--Proud Home of the 1907-08 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

      by Jeff Y on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:56:19 PM PST

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      •  *that (4+ / 0-)
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        Argh! Damn spell check!

        Chicago--Proud Home of the 1907-08 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

        by Jeff Y on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:57:09 PM PST

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      •  Yeah...you'd think they'd like it. (4+ / 0-)
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        I haven't read the fine print, so, for all I know, it's another ACA style boondoggle, but...

        There is some definite goodness in that act, including one thing that really caught my eye:

        Startup assistance to help unemployed people start their own companies.

        Never mind that you can't get much more capitalistic than turning people into entrepreneurs, the idea brilliantly faces a reality facing many older workers:

        Nobody wants to hire us for real jobs any more.  We can get contracts, and even decent, if not great, money -- without benefits.  Why not take the next steps and go all business-y?

        Yeah, there are some unemployment exensions and stuff, but also a lot of support for hiring long-term unemployed in the form of tax credits, training, etc.

        And -- the kicker:

        It's on the table.
        I haven't seen anything wonderful from the GOP.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:28:46 PM PST

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        •  The GOP is offering to gut your Medicare (4+ / 0-)
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          and Social Security, because you know, jobs and freedom and stuff.

          Chicago--Proud Home of the 1907-08 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

          by Jeff Y on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:33:01 PM PST

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          •  Democrats have also offered to gut my (0+ / 0-)

            Social Security, so I'm not too impressed by that.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:43:25 PM PST

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          •  they want to privatize the programs (0+ / 0-)

            just like I privatize the fish I catch

            •  Medicare is already heavily privatized. (0+ / 0-)

              Last I looked, it was non-government doctors, nurses, hospitals, etc delivering all that substandard and overpriced care.

              Privatizing Social Security -- or, at least, parts of it -- sounds much more interesting to me, because the plans that have been suggested inject a certain ownership into your Social Security account that has been missing for years.  The return on Social Security payments is pretty awful if you add them up over the years and compare to the benefit payout.

              As it stands, Social Security has been re-engineered from its roots as a sort of insurance program to just another welfare program.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:52:52 AM PST

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    •  He's right, just like anybody can become a (4+ / 0-)
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      billionaire in 1 easy step:

      1. Get a billion dollars.

      Tax increases, per se, are not a way to generate jobs.  If anything, tax increases will be anti-job to the extent that they redirect resources away from their most efficient use.

      That's life in the big city.  Government exists, in part, because society has to do some things that are not profitable, not fun, etc.

      And that's one of the better arguments against any government jobs program: government is not an efficient job creator.

      If, however, you're going to do that, it helps to have some actual ideas about how you're going to make  jobs happen.  Maybe some actual insight into how that wonderful Free Market thing actually works -- with a look at why it's failing to create jobs now, and what can be done to kick it in the right direction.

      Making the rich richer doesn't bother me in the least, but...and this DOES bother me...it hasn't been working very well for the country, and it certainly hasn't been working for the vast majority of its citizens.

      So -- lowering taxes for rich folks, making them even richer -- would seem to continue down the road that has, so far, failed to deliver for the country.

      That's not a plan for jobs.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:22:13 PM PST

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      •  On track for jobs recovery by...2027. Yes, 2027. (3+ / 0-)
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        Average job creation per month for the last 12 months is a smidgen over 150,000.

        We need 88,000 jobs per month just to absorb growth in the working-age population. Repeat: if we create 88,000 jobs per month, then we reduce the number of unemployed by zero.

        Plug 151,000 into the handy-dandy job-gap calculator graphing gizmo here and it shows that we get back to 2007 levels of employment around 2027.

        That's what the free market is on track to deliver. It's long past time for Big Government, inefficient and all, to step in.

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:12:07 PM PST

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