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  •  Profits before people (44+ / 0-)

    Kind in mind that the gun industry makes a profit from selling guns and ammo.  More guns and ammo sold means more profits.

    For the gun industry, every time a person is shot is another opportunity to profit.  The bullet that caused the injury was sold for profit, and the fear engendered by yet another shooting means a "golden" opportunity to sell yet more guns and ammo.

    Combine this profiting from injury and death with a system of government that allows the wealthy and corporate interests to buy the law-makers and the laws they want, and you can easily see why more people are getting shot (according to the CDC, gunshot injuries nationwide have increased every year for the past ten years).  The gun industry takes those profits made from selling a lethally injurious product and uses those profits to ease laws and restrictions on gun and ammo sales and use.  

    Every year in America, we kill more people using guns than died in the civil wars in Egypt, Libya, and Syria combined.

    We can expect this slaughter to continue until we as a nation decide people are more inportant than profits.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 08:06:01 AM PST

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      "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

      by blueoregon on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 08:44:03 AM PST

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    •  Yes, it's all a huge marketing scheme (8+ / 0-)

      Run by arms dealers who love to sell to all sides in any conflict, no matter how horrible the people they sell to are.

      After all, the more people are afraid, the more they will buy. Even those that would normally not have guns might buy.

      Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

      by splashy on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 09:44:18 AM PST

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    •  Great comment (9+ / 0-)

      This truth is how I think gun ownership will be restricted.  Sooner or later another major corporate interest will lead the push back against gun ownership.  The insurance industry!

      If insurance companies start having to pay big settlements for gun violence they will link rates of all kinds of insurance to gun ownership.  Soon after that owning certain types of guns will be prohibitively expensive for most people with high rates.  The banks will become involved with mortgages tied to that liability.  

      Just a thought of how the big driver of this $$$ will or may influence things.

      •  The cost of gun violence (5+ / 0-)

        Sadly, the American tax-payers pay about 75% fo the medical costs associated with gun violence.

        Perhaps even worse, back in the 90's, the gun industry used their clout to pass a law through congress preventing and restricting suits against gun and ammo manufacturers for the injurious results of their clearly dangerous products.  

        This came most likely in response to the number of suits brought by states against cigarette makers to cover the cost to tax-payers for treating all those heart attack and stroke victims.  The gun manufacturers saw the effect these suits had on the cigarette industry, and asked congress for some protection.  Congress obliged.

        Truely, what needs to happen is that we the people have to free our law-makers from the corporatocracy (government by and for the corporations) that now holds sway over those law-makers.

        "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

        by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 12:34:51 PM PST

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    •  Not only more guns but more LETHAL guns (5+ / 0-)

      The firearms industry (Smith & Wesson, Sturm Ruger, Glock etc., etc.) found itself flagging in the 1970s -- guns are fairly long-lasting products, after all -- and has strategically implemented an arms race for 30+ years, selling increasingly lethal weapons to both sides of the law (law enforcement and criminals), to increase sales by justifying the need to more powerful arms.

      This is compelling described in the book Making a Killing by Tom Diaz, c2000 so a bit dated now, but basic concepts still in effect. The entire industry (firearms, security, etc) is cynical because it uses fearmongering and destructive escalation to make money -- while leading to more death and injury.

      •  Again with "more LETHAL guns"? (1+ / 0-)
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        Please explain how this is so.

      •  more lethal due to larger projectiles, more (1+ / 0-)
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        intrinsically destructive projectiles, greater speed and force of the projectiles, more automation and faster tempo of repeated firing, and larger effective continuous capacity.

        •  name the weapon and I will give you actual numbers (3+ / 0-)

          because you sure are not talking about AR15s or AKMs, both of which shoot small projectiles at average speed and no faster than any semi auto.....

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:30:48 PM PST

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        •  Glock and others upsold cops on larger-caliber (0+ / 0-)

          service weapons while also selling the street on larger-caliber weapons in the 1980s, hence making the cops' new weapons newly necessary, per Tom Diaz in the well-documented book, Making a Killing. It is not that the so-and-so gun got bigger, it's that the industry upsold regular customers on newer, more powerful models on a regular and escalating basis. Good business strategy, bad overall society-wide self-protection strategy.

          •  Em, sorry - not so. (0+ / 0-)

            The view from my holster:

            NYPD carried a .38 special revolver with a NYPD unique 200 gr. round-nose lead bullet.  Like getting poked with a pencil, a lot of cops and civilians died, including a toddler in a stroller, killed by a ricocheted deformed bullet fired blocks away by an Officer.

            The rest of America carried either "semi-wadcutter" (pointy flat-nose) or hollowpoint bullets in .38 special, .38 Super Vel, or the far more powerful .357 magnum.
            The .357 magnum was a 1930s development.

            The move from revolvers to semi-automatic pistols happened 70 years after the US Military adopted the .45 ACP, a round duplicating the old .45 Colt Single Action Army revolver.
            (the "cowboy gun" - though to be accurate, a lot of those were .38-40, and .44-40 WCF - all with blackpowder)

            Certain branches stuck with revolvers (USAF, aircrews, some USN).
            In Europe, police have been carrying semi-autos only, some since the 1930s, and nearly all after WWII.
            (Yes, I know about the UK and the Metropolitans - but that's Britain and not "Europe".)

            The semi-automatic 9mm was more powerful than the .38 special in kinetic energy, but gave erratic performance much like the 200 grain NYPD lead bullet.  A few people dropped and were arrested, many more continued to fight, a lot of those died later.

            The police who surrendered their .357 magnum revolvers for the more controllable semi-automatic 9mm felt "undergunned" as few people ever needed more than 2 shots from a .357 magnum.  
            Angel Dusters being a noted exception.

            In areas of the South and Southwest, the .44 Special (a circa 1907 round updating the cowboy's 1873 .44-40WCF blackpowder cartridge) was popular.
            Lynyrd Skynyrd's Gimme Three Steps cites a "forty-four" - not by some lyrical contrivance.

            The .44 Special was also used by David Berkowitz, the "Son of Sam" killer.

            The "Dirty Harry Gun" .44 magnum wasn't suitable, and a 20% less powerful .41 Magnum thought "ideal" for Highway Patrol, never caught on.

            The same fate for the 1983, 10mm semi-auto pistol cartridge.  Though I liked it in the HK submachine gun, as a handgun?
            The gun had to be large-framed, and the recoil and blast was stout.  As we'd just gotten past women as Meter Maids only, a few knuckledraggers wanted these huge Magnum revolvers or large semi-automatic pistols as a means of disqualifying female applicants.

            Sorry hunnybunches, you can't handle something this big and bad.

            The 10mm did spawn the current popular police-issue cartridge, the .40 Smith & Wesson, a lower-power/shorter case version of the 10mm Auto.  (same projectile diameter and weight, at lower operating pressures and velocity).
            Which closely matches the .44 Special for bullet diameter and kinetic energy.

            That, in-turn spawned the .357 SIG, a unique cartridge with a shape reminiscent of the .30 Luger, circa 1909.
            The .357 SIG matches the 125 grain bullet performance of a .357 magnum, when fired from a 4 inch barreled revolver.

            Nothing much new (in cop holsters) under the sun.

            Mr. Diaz if he's drawn to different conclusions?  He might be paying more attention to marketing, and the gigantic infusion of War-on-Drugs cash and post-9-11 militarized police funding.

            Someone, and I can't remember who - posted this link, and I have to ask:  When's the Zombie Invasion?

            Nevermind,  Brad Pitt has that answer covered.  
            Summer 2013.

      •  That you keep saying this shows that (1+ / 0-)
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        you don't know what you're talking about.

        The M-16/AR-15 and AK-47 were designed in the 1950s.

        The most powerful common handgun round, the .44 Magnum, also the 1950s. Yes, there are some exotic rounds more powerful, .454 Casull (1960s), .475 Linebaugh (1970s)... the only new ones are the .480 Ruger and .460 and .500 S&W, and none are a huge step up from the pwer envelope that custom gunsmiths have already found. Also, the ammo and the guns that fire them are expensive, and they're quite difficult for a non-exert to shoot. Even .44 Magnums are vanishingly rare in crime, and larger handgun rounds virtally unheard of.

        Most full-power rifle cartridges date to the turn of the last century or before. Most of he exceptions were developed by putting a different sized bullet into an existing cartridge case.

        Semi-automatic firearms, ditto. Else why would the first pistol that shot the .45 ACP cartridge be called the Model 1911?

        John Browning designed the Browning Hi-Power (first double-stack "high-capacity" 9mm autoloading pistol) in the 1920s.

        Machine guns, around 1900... much earlier if you consider the Gatling and it's relatives to be "machine guns." (Legally, they're not... in a technological evolutionary sense, they clearly are.)

        Submachine guns, (automatic rifles firing pistol cartridges,) early 20th century.

        Firearms simply have not gotten more powerful or deadlier in the last 50 years... and the only place where there's even an argument to be made is in revolvers... a 19th century technology.


        "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
        "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

        by Leftie Gunner on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:10:25 PM PST

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    •  Hugh, blue oregon did indeed ..... (0+ / 0-)

      .... send your comment in - and it appears in the Top Comments diary for this evening.

      "We should pay attention to that man behind the curtain."

      by Ed Tracey on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:20:08 PM PST

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