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  •  You do realize that the cliff also includes (4+ / 0-)
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    pistolSO, Armando, SoCalSal, barbwires

    pretty drastic budget cuts across the board?  It's not just the taxes, it's the sequestration.

    You wanna f*%^ with Big Bird? You gotta come through me.

    by DaveV on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:08:45 AM PST

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    •  Not cuts (5+ / 0-)

      reducing the growth or expansion.

      Most of the cuts are in defense - even the Generals don't want some of the planes and other items congress makes them take becasue "it brings the bacon home".

      Time to end the madness.

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 10:11:57 AM PST

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      •  hmmm... 8% across the board cuts is what (5+ / 0-)
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        Sychotic1, orlbucfan, ybruti, barbwires, a2nite

        I understand, affecting everything but social insurance programs.

        My preference would be to take it all out of the defense budget and leave other program budgets intact (but I won't hold my breath).

        The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

        by SoCalSal on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 12:23:22 PM PST

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        •  And a great many of those departments (1+ / 0-)
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          could find 8% to cut without impacting much.

          Not all, of course. But a lot. Including defense, which could likely cut 15% and not really feel it.

          Hell, get rid of the 'security' contractors (and why, pray tell, does the MILITARY need help with security?) and you've probably cut more than 8% right there.

          •  Heck, you could cut 50% out of DoD (2+ / 0-)
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            & there will still be plenty left to take care of the VA, and real defensive operations. The money the MIC sucks out of our budget is beyond obscene.

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            by orlbucfan on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 01:19:50 PM PST

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