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  •  For years Repubs have accused Obama (9+ / 0-)

    of playing politics, which I always thought laughably absurd because one, he was actually NOT playing politics (or at least not very good politics), but rather accomodating hostage-taking Repubs who WERE playing politics (and a rather nasty form of it at that), and two, well, what part of POLITICian does the other side not understand?!? It's in the freaking job title, politics!

    Anyway, now that he finally appears to have figured out that there's no way around his having to play politics too, because THAT'S HOW POLITICS WORKS FERGODSAKES, he appears to be doing it from a position of smarts, strength and toughness--which is the ONLY way you want to be playing politics.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 02:21:30 PM PST

    •  I'd call what he is currently doing (7+ / 0-)

      playing hardball.  Republicans are playing a weak hand of politics, President Obama is playing hardball.

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 04:24:40 PM PST

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    •  The argument against that (2+ / 0-)
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      is that Obama could've nixed the debt ceiling default threat last time around, but he did not. He wanted the Grand Bargain — the debt limit threat was useful to him for that purpose — and he almost got it. Mercifully liberal Dems and the Tea Party crew stopped it. But then we ended up with the sequester.

      We would be so much better served to let the sequester/"fiscal spliff" take effect as the Bush/Obama tax cuts expire. Then Congress and the President can enact much better policy, from a position of Democratic political strength.

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 07:30:30 PM PST

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      •  100% agreed (0+ / 0-)

        Once we go over the "bump" there will be almost 10 more Dems in the house and 2 more in the senate (where the filibuster may be weakened in our favor), tax rates on the rich will have automatically gone back to Clinton era levels, which a majority of Americans won't mind, tax rates on everyone else will also have gone up, which a majority of Americans won't like, but blame the GOP mostly for, and major spending cuts, many of which will affect everyday people, will kick in, which will also displease most Americans and which they're also likely to blame Repubs for. All of which will put Obama & Dems in a stronger position.

        For a time. Eventually, Americans will blame them too. But hopefully, Repubs won't have the stomach to wait that long. Both sides will have to compromise. But hopefully, it will be Repubs who cave this time.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Wed Dec 12, 2012 at 07:55:22 PM PST

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