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    joe shikspack, ek hornbeck

    I was over there commenting earlier about the same thing and some other thoughts.

    I am very glad that the senators are speaking out about the efficicacy of torture, or rather the lack of, and pushing back against the (what I consider) deceitful way that torture was depicted as a key factor in finding bin Laden in Zero Dark Thirty. But I really wish they would make a declassified version of that report available before the movie comes out in wider theater release and before Oscar nominations are decided upon.  And I don't really understand how the senators can issue statements about the broad conclusions of a classified report without that being problematic in terms of disclosing classified information, but that is what they are doing, and again I am glad they are.

    Some commenters believe that a declassified version will never be made public.  I tend to disagree. I think this conviction in European Human Rights court is a big deal to this administration and members of Congress and military brass.  I think the president especially wants to have something in hand that he can refer to when the tough questions come, and when he has to speak with other world leaders.  He wants to be able to say that it was investigated, analyzed, and denounced, and that he has solid evidence for current and future military decision makers, policy makers who might argue for continued torture policies.  I think other prominent leaders like McCain and Feinstein want cover for themselves too. And I think it will be used as some kind of substitute or way to distract from the fact that they never held anyone accountable for these programs.

    I do wonder if a scapegoat or two will be offered up too, but I tend to doubt that. Can't open Pandora's box by going after anyone with any clout who could implicate a lot of others and reveal more and more.

    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:55:32 PM PST

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    •  I am concerned about the current situation... (4+ / 0-)

      ...but I am certain it is not nearly as bad as it was. What infuriates me is that the guys who ordered torture so blatantly are still making money off there lectures and book tours, walking free instead of sitting somewhere in chains. If they were treated as Bradley Manning has been, you can better their apologists would have a different point of view.

      That, of course, is never going to happen, something we pretty knew by the second week of the Obama administration.

      So be it.  Having had to swallow the fact that these war crimes would never be punished unless you were some sad sack bottom-tier soldier who took photos of the behavior you were given free rein to engage in, the least we should expect now is that we at least get told what happened in detail. That's the last bulwark, weak as it is, against its happening again.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:17:11 PM PST

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