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  •  Ever hear a Piaggio Avanti? (1+ / 0-)
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    Like a tiny modern B-36, the rearward-facing props cut through the wing wake. Very distinctive.

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    by Simplify on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:00:08 AM PST

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    •  Very pretty plane. We have a Beech Starship (1+ / 0-)
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      at a tech school here in SLC. They only made about 10 of them if I remember correctly. Too radical for the conservatives who buy business planes? Anyway, the same layout as the Avanti, but far more pedestrian a design than that beautiful Italian.

      Here's a shot I took of it in 06 at the small jet part of SLC airport.

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      by billmosby on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:37:53 PM PST

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      •  I actually like the Starship aesthetic more (1+ / 0-)
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        Its history reads a lot like that of GM's electric car.

        So many advanced designs don't make it. Adam Aircraft A500, Piper Altaire...

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        by Simplify on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:52:41 PM PST

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      •  Credit Burt Rutan for the Starship (0+ / 0-)

        and dozens of other innovations, highly efficient, wickedly counter-intuitive fiberglas or carbon fiber. A national treasure.

         "He designed the record-breaking Voyager, which was the first plane to fly around the world without stopping or refueling, and the sub-orbital spaceplane SpaceShipOne, which won the Ansari X-Prize in 2004 for becoming the first privately funded spacecraft to enter the realm of space twice within a two week period. He has five aircraft on display in the National Air and Space Museum: SpaceShipOne, the Virgin Atlantic GlobalFlyer, Voyager, Quickie, and the VariEze."

        see also Scaled Composites

    •  Avantis fly out of Oakland, CA frequently (0+ / 0-)

      KOAK has had frequent visits from what I have been told are a small fleet of Piaggio Avanti owned by a small charter airline. I can't remember their call sign.

      When I was at Oshkosh - EAA AirVenture Piaggio had a newer version on display and I asked the sales guy why the distinctive sound and why a bit louder than most turboprops.

      His explanation was that to obtain approval for IFR (instrument) flight in known icing conditions they had to de-ice the rear-facing props. Their solution is to place the turbine exhaust outlets to heat the props.  The undesired result is an acoustic beat common to many pusher props as the props flow through the exhaust.

      I don't know how noisy it is inside but they say minimal.

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