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  •  That's an ad hom rebuttal (15+ / 0-)

    Which is none at all. You need to refute the specific allegations made in this article to have a serious rebuttal.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:41:12 AM PST

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    •  Not trying to rebut - just advising caution (4+ / 0-)
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      In an related story, big news re CIA torture and rendition:


      I ♥ President Barack Obama.

      by ericlewis0 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:50:04 AM PST

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      •  The ACLU...... (15+ / 0-)
        Although we have been warning about the dangers of the program for months, and I testified before Congress about the issue in July, the Journal’s story conveys how controversial the program was even inside the government. It also describes the broad scope of new authority the government is granting itself.

        As the Journal reports, "under new guidelines issued by the Attorney General back in March"........

           The rules now allow the little-known National Counterterrorism Center to examine the government files of U.S. citizens for possible criminal behavior, even if there is no reason to suspect them. That is a departure from past practice, which barred the agency from storing information about ordinary Americans unless a person was a terror suspect or related to an investigation.
           Now, NCTC can copy entire government databases—flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and many others. The agency has new authority to keep data about innocent U.S. citizens for up to five years, and to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior. Previously, both were prohibited.
          The changes also allow databases of U.S. civilian information to be given to foreign governments for analysis of their own. In effect, U.S. and foreign governments would be using the information to look for clues that people might commit future crimes.

        "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

        by allenjo on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:59:24 AM PST

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        •  It's called "hot-spotting" (3+ / 0-)
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          In the last few years there has been some guys pushing for doing that to stop trouble before people are killed in high-crime areas.

          I can see the danger in it ...

          Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

          by splashy on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 12:03:46 PM PST

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          •  I am not familiar with the term, but what it is - (4+ / 0-)
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            is an unimaginable invasion of privacy.

            These words just jump out - even if there is no reason to suspect them.

            Life in the 21st century is rather appalling as to what we are allowing government to get away with.

            And yet we remain mostly silent.

            "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

            by allenjo on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 12:57:21 PM PST

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          •  A little different, I think (2+ / 0-)
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            Hot-spotting is identifying areas with problems, and allocating additional resources there. For example, an area with a high crime rate would see an increased police presence. This is straight out of the movies, picking out individuals before they commit crimes.

            "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

            by Hayate Yagami on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:47:51 PM PST

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        •  That last part about foreign governments (3+ / 0-)
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          might get some on the right riled up about this issue too.

          “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

          by jrooth on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 01:20:05 PM PST

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          •  Only while it's a democrat doing it (1+ / 0-)
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            If a GOPnik's in power they'll be all for it.

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:16:15 PM PST

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